I see that Greddy is coming out with a kit for an ls her soon im pondering waiting for this kit or just going for the drag. Greddy or Drag, what would you guys recommend?

 

one answer...Ben's groupbuy on the Drag Gen III turbo kit. It ends on October 15th.

 

nobody here wants to hear the words "greddy". you must get the drag or else you won't be accepted.

 

What about Apexi turbos? Does anyone know when they will have one for ths LS?

 

depends on what you want..... quick spool-up or all out power. greddy spools very quickly while drag puts out a lot of power

 

So would Greddy by better for a Twisty Auto Cross track, and the Drag better for well Dragging.

 

yes

 

Well in that case I might get the Greddy, but what about Apexi turbos? I know they already have the civic turbos. How does f-max or Revhard compare to Greddy or Drag? In power, and spool up time.

 

Fmax, Drag, and Revhard are all about top end power.

GReddy spools quick, and then turns into a heat production device. It loses complete efficiency.

Apexi turbos just suck.

Dustin

 

Well my integra's pretty much gonna be my daily driver to and from school, but I'll be doin occasional auto crossin and a lil bit of draggin, i have been leanin towards the Drag kit, but i don't want a lot of lag, but if the Greddy kit isn't efficient i dont' want that either. I suppose you suggest Drag? What are the differences between the Drag gens II and gen III?

 

umm greddy turns into a heat production device?

i guess all those mitsubishis running the even smaller 16g turbine boosting 20+ psi have no idea what they're doing huh

what's the point of a turbo when you only get about 30% of its full performance capabilities.

"my turbo is bigger than yours"
yeah, great, now lets see you boost the 25 psi to get the most out of it....i'm happy with my greddy turbo. bigger isnt always better. depends on how you like to drive....on the street ,or on a 1320 foot track

 

immortal how much you boostin now and have you rebuilt your engine?

 

GReddy GReddy GReddy GReddy GReddy GReddy!


and dustin..you're just a hater

but then again since you are a moderator and you have like 893749823794 posts everyone will listen to you, wont they?

this board totally biased. when i post a valid question someone out there will either say "moved to blah blah blah section" or "do a search"

while others can post stupid posts like...will it look okay if i roll around w/ a black body kit on my red crx? im gonna clear coat it so it wouldn't be that bad!

and as for saying the GReddy kit is just a heat producer...eh im not even gonna bother anymore its not worth it

 

boosting .6 bar ... almost 9 psi. i haven't rebuilt my engine.

 

Immortal did you get yours from Ebay or Diablo?

 

at least the GReddy fits. Says the owner of a Drag3 kit.

 

Ebay

 

Man when they gonna come out w/ the LS turbo then?

 

My friend has had his greddy kit for 2 years and no problems. This is from a a guy who knows nothing about cars and just had someone else install it.

Car hauls *** that's for sure, although there is noticble lag. I can't imagine how much lag the Drag, Fmax, and Revhard kits have. If you've seen the dyno plots for a Drag kit, there isn't much of a power increase until 4500 rpm, where the power just pours on. Not too great for street if you ask me.

 

I don't even know why people say the greddy spools quick, it reaches full boost after my turbo and im running a drag w/ BB. If all you guys get sick of coming here and listening to everyone bash the greddy kits, why not go to a board where everyone loves the greddy turbo. oh wait that doesnt exist. Guess you guys are stuck with listening to it or leaving.

 

what's the best Turbo out there? I've heard the garrett T4 spools faster than most of the other ones out there....

 

The reason people say the greddy spools quicker is because it's a smaller turbo and in general smaller turbos spool quicker. The greddy turbo you drove might have not been turned correctly because the one I drove hit boost at about 3000-3500.

And just because people on this board don't bash the drag kits doesn't mean anything. Most people own the drag kits due to the groupbuys that go on here, thus they are biased. If you look at any board, they are biased toward certain products alot of the time just because they own it themselves.

 

The greddy i drove hit full boost at like 3600 and my car goes into it just before 3500, like 3300 or 3400 I dunno it's hard to concentrate on the road, the boost gauge, and the damn tach at the same time.

 

no **** you think that the TD05-18g spools slow you're comparing it to a damn ball bearing turbo

 

Ahh yes, lets get personal mister SagaGSR.

Have you ever looked at the compressor maps for the turbos that come with the GReddy kits? I have.

There is personal bias, and then there is reality. In reality, our motors flow a lot more air in high RPMs than a small GReddy turbo can supply. This means you lose a lot of top end power. Hey, you have a GReddy kit, you should know. Ever had someone take you for a spin in a Fmax/Revhard/Drag equipped GSR? I bet you wish you had their topend.

There are valid reasons to go with any specific kit. The GReddy is a very high quality kit and produces very decent power. But frankly, you and I both know that it is not the kit to get for all out power. This point is not worth arguing.

Sure you may be frustrated and annoyed that people like me keep insulting your choice of turbo. Perhaps you liked the smog legality (is it smog legal yet?), or you preferred the easy install. Whatever the reason was, should I immediately quiet myself from the truth? "Sure everyone, the GReddy kit actually IS the best kit for all out power, no really. Yeah, it is really efficient at high boost levels. Yeah, it keeps the air really cold. Oh sure, it flows impressively well in high RPMs in a GSR."

Each kit has its detractors, but the topic of this thread is "Greddy or Drag"? Having experience with both, and weighing all factors, I think most people will be happier with a DRAG kit. You may feel otherwise.

And no, I do not think the DRAG kit is anywhere near perfect. It you want, I can detail all the things I do not like about it either.

And for God's sake, calm down. If you cannot handle someone scrutinizing your choice of turbo kit, then we might need to work out some issues.

Dustin