I know plenty of you have done this... I was wondering what kinda numbers I could turn after just the swap... That way I know what I'm in for when I try to reach my long term goal.

Also, any idea how much hp to the wheels I'll get?

Thanks for the help

 

B16a in an EF with I/H/E...14.4-14.5 on street tires all day long

J

 

Just the swap...'89 CR-X Si with NO mods, not even intake or fuel pump or anything to make it EQUAL to a japanese SiR in power. Just the swap. Albeit this is with an S1 tranny, I didn't yank the clutch before the swap...the engine and tranny just stayed together and I've used the clutch for a year. 14.8 @ 93-94mph.

 

at the most a high 14....

 

Wow... I was thinking low 15's


What about after installing a DRAG Turbokit? They're spose to add up to 100-120hp if I remember right... Here's the link: http://store.importparts.com/cgi-bin.../View/DRAG92HY


[Modified by DuffMan, 11:14 PM 10/11/2001]

 

Damn, look at the thread(s) in the Tech column. Not to brag cause I stll do not know how to drive, but I have taken my 1991 Civic EX 4 door to 14.02 @ 97.4 mph, and going for 13's on next outing. I got a b16a with basic mods with CTR pistons and headwork with UNDIALED ITR cams...

 

Well....CTR pistons, and headwork and ITR cams...untuned or not...I wouldnt be bragging about 14.02. My car..pretty much same weight...ran 14.4 with homemade intake...Dynomax muffler and Dc header. Street tires. With those goodies.. Should be around 13.3-13.5


[Modified by Blown90hatcH, 7:27 PM 10/11/2001]

 

Are you at 2350 lbs. plus a 210 lb driver? If not , enough said.BTW, my clutch is not hooking and the synchronizers going south in the tranny.

 

2350 + me weighing at 195. Street tires. Sure.

 

So you ought to address b20 in the Tech column that says 12's are NOT possible with a b16a. BTW - which hatch weighs 2350 lbs? My car weighed 2340 BEFORE I put the b16a in there which supposedly weighs an extra 70 lbs. - that is a FOUR door.

Also not to flame but a 14.02, while not great is whaling the tar out of a ~14.40+. Do you live near MD/DC cause it is always fun to run similar cars.Pretty sure I can give you aat least a 13.8....

 

well that is my 90 civic hatch with 99 gSR leather and stereo in it. That was like 2 years ago. I doubt you want to race me now though. But if you want..you could front the cash and I will trailer my car there for a good whaling. I will give you a few cars headstart.

 

On a trailer - P-L-E-A-S-E!!!! That sucks - tell you what you DRIVE your sh-- here out on real world roads just like I do and I will wax that a-- with a trouncing you have never seen. I really have no quarter or pity for trailer driven cars - might as well be any old American V8 Camaro/Mustang,etc. That totally defeats the purpose of STREETABILITY! Really I can not see how you are even contributing to this thread. But as these good ole boys like to say, "Come on Down" and lets go hit the beltway for a while, then a few Maryland backroads for an hour or so, then go hit the track, and see how you do then. Whaling? That will be arranged nicely on those terms...

So your talk about your car was CHEAP - I can bench race with plenty of other cars too, and have a KG car to boot. Tell you what, why don't you trailer your stuff out to Cali and get a whuppping on your own terms - look up KG (Kurt Gordon) in Huntington Beach, CA and tell him I sent you.

BTW, I knew something was fishy when you said you had a 2350 lb ?hatch - go check the stats on an EF hatch...How does your answer help in determining what a b16a in a CRX will run?

 

Well...I am in CA. My car is totally Street driven everyday to college. 1 hr each way. The car is actually set up for auto-x ing... Totally street-car. All windows...seats, dash, car seat in the rear. Brembo 4 wh disk, neuspeed lines, eurathane bushings, sway bars, strut bars, coilovers, shocks...everything. You wont be able to hang whether it be street 1/4 track, auto x or what ever. You are the one who said "whaling". I was just qouting a post. Dont be hating on peeps that have slower cars than you. Giving you a little taste of your medi. Kurt Gordan huh? Let me guess, you know him presonally? Sure. B16a with a CRX Si 90-91 weighs 2200 lbs. MY car weighed 2350 with the extra stuff. So yes...a stock crx should be as fast.


[Modified by Blown90hatcH, 9:07 PM 10/12/2001]

 

Sums it up

 

Well... since you seem to feel so strongly about B16's running 12's I'll just go ahead and agree with you if that makes you happy. Your car is pretty fast (14.02) but you'll have to knock off more then a full second to do that. Any idea on what else needs to be done in order to accomplish this? Please share your wisdom and enlighten us all..

 

My friend did a 13.9 w/ no exhaust and gutted interior....on street tirers. w/ the exhaust on it was more like a 14.6......it was the stock dx exhaust. his crx was a dx not an si.

 

dont mess with that blown90hatch guy, i heard that one guy (newman) talk about how hes going to run in the 10s with his setup.

 

I am so sick of seeing these f*cking posts. Every track is different some one with a B16 swap can run 14.3 at one track and at another track it will run mid 15's also remember there is a search feature on this board, try using it.

 

OK, that is a GOOD POINT. The tracks around here (same altitude) vary crazily, mainly because of track prep and quality (or lack thereof).

I do think the point is a legit one about how to run 12's, and would say starting with a 4 door (like I have) is NOT the way.

The first step is to start with a light car, and weights have been pubbed in these threads many times.The last Sport Compact Car listed wts. of 5G civics stock and by model, and if I recall some hatches start at ~2050 lbs. Rear seating, spare removal and rear bumper support removal, as an example should mean ~2000 lbs or maybe sl. less.

The forrmula has already been worked out in these threads, but if you can go 175 whp (net on dyno to the tires) and you can drive, you then have a "12".This is established, and not my imagination.

That is why I tried to list basic mods that would get you the 175 whp.

So it is possible, and not a pipe dream...

 

EVOCELICA=******

 

ive got a b16 with intake and header in a hatch runnin 14.1 on street tires

 

Damn boy, that is good - how much you weigh and what are trap speeds + where you run at?

 

I WEIGH ABOUT 2100 WITH DRIVER I RUN AT MIR RICHMOND AND E TOWN

 

yeah i saw that same guy that itr-481 is talking about.... 13.9 on street tires.... amazing... fastest one ive ever seen with only intake and header.....

 

There is a black EF hatch that shows up at the local street races, with nothing but a 1st gen B16a. Stock si exhaust, intake everything. This thing is quick, he always gets me by about a car everytime. My point ----> we're all buying used motors. We all know that sometimes some just run stronger than others, even when new.