brake rotors and pads question
I am about to get new front rotors for my car. I am thinking about just getting the normal brembo rotors (not drilled or slotted). would these be good for me, or should i just get some from a local auto shop? and what kinda pads should i get? i will just be doing normal daily driving and im looking for something that will not create alot of brake dust.
so a search-this topic has been beaten into the ground.there are plenty of threads on which rotors are best,which pads are best for my setup,etc...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xerox445 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those are all misconceptions...slotted and crossdrilling reduces pad surface like crazy, the blanks perform better under street conditions. If you can heat a brembo blank up enough that it starts to glaze over and slip on the street then you need to get the hell off the road.
Slotting and Crossdrilling are only useful in track situations where you are constantly late braking and such. They help the heat dissipate, and let super hot gasses escape that are formed between the pad and the rotor when both become extremely hot.
If you think about it, on stock calipers and stock hydraulics, the reduced surface area, and mass would affect your brakes negatively. Its true. Most will say that there brakes were so much better after going 2 slotted and cross drilled. This is because they are going from stock worn rotors to the brand new ones, and also most likely replacing the pads.
You may ask why do big brake companies like willwood, brembo, ssbc etc. use the cross drilled?
1. The kits they sell come with larger calipers that are putting more clamping force on the rotors (which consequently are also larger). The extra clamping force overcomes the loss of surface area.
2. One word....bling.
As for your superbike or whatever you have, compare the rotor size, thickness, and over all weight...the sportbike has a much smaller mass, therefor it heats up much faster. The holes are needed to dissipate heat, and the super hot gasses that form.
But wait...didn't i just say that these super hot gasses dont form on the street unless your being a jackass? The Bike is working off 2 wheels, where as the car has 4. You have half of the surface tire area. Although the mass of the bike is much less, the bikes brakes overall have to do more work to slow the rider down. Quote, originally posted by EH2_LS_TURBO »
how come every streetbike has cross-drilled rotors
Thats why...
Finally if you really want to get technical, under hard braking, the bike mostly only works off of the front tire, due to weight transfer. That front caliper better be cooled sufficiently....or else the small mass of that caliper is going 2 heat up and just slide....
Thank you
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xerox445 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those are all misconceptions...slotted and crossdrilling reduces pad surface like crazy, the blanks perform better under street conditions. If you can heat a brembo blank up enough that it starts to glaze over and slip on the street then you need to get the hell off the road.
Slotting and Crossdrilling are only useful in track situations where you are constantly late braking and such. They help the heat dissipate, and let super hot gasses escape that are formed between the pad and the rotor when both become extremely hot.
If you think about it, on stock calipers and stock hydraulics, the reduced surface area, and mass would affect your brakes negatively. Its true. Most will say that there brakes were so much better after going 2 slotted and cross drilled. This is because they are going from stock worn rotors to the brand new ones, and also most likely replacing the pads.
You may ask why do big brake companies like willwood, brembo, ssbc etc. use the cross drilled?
1. The kits they sell come with larger calipers that are putting more clamping force on the rotors (which consequently are also larger). The extra clamping force overcomes the loss of surface area.
2. One word....bling.
As for your superbike or whatever you have, compare the rotor size, thickness, and over all weight...the sportbike has a much smaller mass, therefor it heats up much faster. The holes are needed to dissipate heat, and the super hot gasses that form.
But wait...didn't i just say that these super hot gasses dont form on the street unless your being a jackass? The Bike is working off 2 wheels, where as the car has 4. You have half of the surface tire area. Although the mass of the bike is much less, the bikes brakes overall have to do more work to slow the rider down. Quote, originally posted by EH2_LS_TURBO »
how come every streetbike has cross-drilled rotors
Thats why...
Finally if you really want to get technical, under hard braking, the bike mostly only works off of the front tire, due to weight transfer. That front caliper better be cooled sufficiently....or else the small mass of that caliper is going 2 heat up and just slide....
Thank you
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dj Villain »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am thinking about just getting the normal brembo rotors . . . would these be good for me, or should i just get some from a local auto shop?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Either way is fine. Honda rotors, Brembo rotors, AutoZone rotors, CarQuest rotors, they all work the same way. Your local Honda dealership is bound to have a varied selection of these brands in stock; the dealership I work at uses Honda, Brembo, and whatever we get from CarQuest.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and what kinda pads should i get? i will just be doing normal daily driving and im looking for something that will not create alot of brake dust.</TD></TR></TABLE>
For daily driving, you can't beat OEM Honda pads. No noise, very little to no dust, easy on the rotors, and they last quite a long time. I've never had a fade problem with them on the street either.
Either way is fine. Honda rotors, Brembo rotors, AutoZone rotors, CarQuest rotors, they all work the same way. Your local Honda dealership is bound to have a varied selection of these brands in stock; the dealership I work at uses Honda, Brembo, and whatever we get from CarQuest.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and what kinda pads should i get? i will just be doing normal daily driving and im looking for something that will not create alot of brake dust.</TD></TR></TABLE>
For daily driving, you can't beat OEM Honda pads. No noise, very little to no dust, easy on the rotors, and they last quite a long time. I've never had a fade problem with them on the street either.
thanks Targa250R for the help and not just saying DO A SEARCH. i appreciate it. do you know about how much honda pads go for?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dj Villain »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks Targa250R for the help and not just saying DO A SEARCH. i appreciate it. do you know about how much honda pads go for?</TD></TR></TABLE>
$35.21 from
http://www.hondaautomotivepart...82%29
$35.21 from
http://www.hondaautomotivepart...82%29
Honda pads are okay but if you have rear drums then better pads are an absolute necessity. My car with axxis ultimate front brake pads is about equal to my friend with a stock 4-wheel disc si hatchback in terms of braking power.
My opinion for street driving-
If you have front discs and rear drums: Blank rotors with Axxis Ultimates
If you have 4 wheel discs: Blank rotors with OEM pads
My opinion for street driving-
If you have front discs and rear drums: Blank rotors with Axxis Ultimates
If you have 4 wheel discs: Blank rotors with OEM pads
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dj Villain »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks Targa250R for the help and not just saying DO A SEARCH. i appreciate it. do you know about how much honda pads go for?</TD></TR></TABLE>
if you ask a question that has been covered literally hundreds of times,expect an answer like that.a search for "brake pads" and "brake rotors" came up with a few hundred finds for each.the info you're looking for can easily be found in these results.i'm sorry,but every time somebody posts this question again,it just wastes space on the forum,and complicates finding this info in a search.this topic comes up about once a week in the Type-R forum,and for some reason,people keep answering it every time.this pushes good topics down the forum,and doesn't give people any incentive to actually try to find the info.
as for the OEM parts,here's another great place:http://www.slhondaparts.com/browse.asp
chris
if you ask a question that has been covered literally hundreds of times,expect an answer like that.a search for "brake pads" and "brake rotors" came up with a few hundred finds for each.the info you're looking for can easily be found in these results.i'm sorry,but every time somebody posts this question again,it just wastes space on the forum,and complicates finding this info in a search.this topic comes up about once a week in the Type-R forum,and for some reason,people keep answering it every time.this pushes good topics down the forum,and doesn't give people any incentive to actually try to find the info.
as for the OEM parts,here's another great place:http://www.slhondaparts.com/browse.asp
chris
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dj Villain »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks Targa250R for the help and not just saying DO A SEARCH. i appreciate it. do you know about how much honda pads go for?</TD></TR></TABLE>
For a 2000 Si, the fronts are $47 and the rears were $53 at retail price. As mentioned, Majestic Honda (hondaautomotiveparts.com) carries them for $35 front and $40 rear - which is about equal to the dealer cost + 10% (a pretty good deal), but I'm not sure what their shipping charges are like.
For Brembo blank rotors, I paid $34 each for fronts and $35 each for rears, the total was around $125 with tax. I could have saved a good bit by buying AutoZone rotors.
For a 2000 Si, the fronts are $47 and the rears were $53 at retail price. As mentioned, Majestic Honda (hondaautomotiveparts.com) carries them for $35 front and $40 rear - which is about equal to the dealer cost + 10% (a pretty good deal), but I'm not sure what their shipping charges are like.
For Brembo blank rotors, I paid $34 each for fronts and $35 each for rears, the total was around $125 with tax. I could have saved a good bit by buying AutoZone rotors.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda pads are okay but if you have rear drums then better pads are an absolute necessity. My car with axxis ultimate front brake pads is about equal to my friend with a stock 4-wheel disc si hatchback in terms of braking power.
My opinion for street driving-
If you have front discs and rear drums: Blank rotors with Axxis Ultimates
If you have 4 wheel discs: Blank rotors with OEM pads</TD></TR></TABLE>
In comparison to OEM pads, Axxis Ultimates are extremely dusty, can be a little noisy, don't wear as long, and they tend to eat rotors (especially when cold) - all of these are a trade off for the significantly improved fade resistance and higher coefficient of friction. This guy mentioned that he only does normal street driving, so OEM pads would probably be his best bet; I would recommend Axxis Ultimates or Cobalt GT-Sports for him only if he did any sort of autocrossing or light HPDE driving.
Also, Ultimate pads in the front with stock shoes in the rear will throw off your balance a little bit . . . have you ever considered replacing your rear shoes with a higher-performance option?
My opinion for street driving-
If you have front discs and rear drums: Blank rotors with Axxis Ultimates
If you have 4 wheel discs: Blank rotors with OEM pads</TD></TR></TABLE>
In comparison to OEM pads, Axxis Ultimates are extremely dusty, can be a little noisy, don't wear as long, and they tend to eat rotors (especially when cold) - all of these are a trade off for the significantly improved fade resistance and higher coefficient of friction. This guy mentioned that he only does normal street driving, so OEM pads would probably be his best bet; I would recommend Axxis Ultimates or Cobalt GT-Sports for him only if he did any sort of autocrossing or light HPDE driving.
Also, Ultimate pads in the front with stock shoes in the rear will throw off your balance a little bit . . . have you ever considered replacing your rear shoes with a higher-performance option?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spock_rocker »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whats the cheapest place to find brembo blanks??
and i have an ex so what should i get?? </TD></TR></TABLE>
NOPI carries them cheap, but I don't know what their shipping charges are like. It is pretty expensive to ship rotors because they are heavy.
http://www.collettimotorsports.com has the fronts listed for $78 shipped, which is the best deal I have seen on the internet (you can probably get the pair for about $10 cheaper at a dealership). I'd personally go for a cheaper set of AutoZone rotors though - at like $22 each, they're dirt cheap.
EX has 10.3" front rotors, which it shared with all '90+ Integra (except Type-R), all '90+ Civic EX, '94-97 del Sol VTEC, and '99-00 Civic Si.
Modified by Targa250R at 11:58 PM 2/15/2004
and i have an ex so what should i get?? </TD></TR></TABLE>
NOPI carries them cheap, but I don't know what their shipping charges are like. It is pretty expensive to ship rotors because they are heavy.
http://www.collettimotorsports.com has the fronts listed for $78 shipped, which is the best deal I have seen on the internet (you can probably get the pair for about $10 cheaper at a dealership). I'd personally go for a cheaper set of AutoZone rotors though - at like $22 each, they're dirt cheap.
EX has 10.3" front rotors, which it shared with all '90+ Integra (except Type-R), all '90+ Civic EX, '94-97 del Sol VTEC, and '99-00 Civic Si.
Modified by Targa250R at 11:58 PM 2/15/2004
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