Which spark plug wires
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Which spark plug wires
I am debating on which plug wires to buy for my 96 D16 and I was wanting to get your opinion on which to get. Please give me any feedback that you can and prices and advantages of those wires if possible. I really appreciate it.
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Re: Which spark plug wires (civicnar)
I bought a set of Bosch? wires I think. (Was quite a while ago...I don't recall exactly) Just for fun I measured their resistance against my original 12 year old factory wires. Two of the new ones were out of spec according to the manual.
Long story short... OEM. Ngk is good though if the price is lower.
Long story short... OEM. Ngk is good though if the price is lower.
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Re: Which spark plug wires (HNDAPWR)
i was at battle of the imports last year and i was walking around the pits looking at all these 12 and 13 second hatchbacks and crxs....all running OEM wires, how funny...I took the hint....
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Re: Which spark plug wires (93 EJ1)
A few points real quick:
Here's some food for thought:
The world's quickest N/A Honda, Erick's Racing, runs high 9's in the 1/4 mile.
...and they do it with 100% O.E STOCK ignition!
Also this is taken from someone who tested old-*** O.E wires against brand new NGK blues - the 10 year old O.E wires did BETTER than brand new NGK Blues!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Aftermarket cable number 1 represents the generic 8mm silicon 'high performance' replacement cables. Often these cables are marketed by performing a side-by-side comparison on a special setup where first the stock cable are used to connect a spark-plug to an ignition coil. The sparks produced at the plug will be seen to be weak and dull. Next, replacement of the 8mm silicon cable will be done and now the sparks at the plug can clearly be seen to be bright and strong. From this 'conclusive' demonstration, the benefits to power output will be inferred. I will not be embarrassed to admit that I myself have bought three sets of such cables in my earlier Honda ownership days (when I was driving SOHC engine models), often being conclusively convinced by the demonstration and then actually believing that I felt improvements from the cables. I have owned this cable for about 5 years, using them on and off.
Aftermarket cable number 2 is the famous NGK 'blue' cable, ie NGK Hyper Silicon. Having the same diameter as stock cables (and thus the added advantage of direct replacement), the NGK is a cable that even HKS has recommended over stock. The logic given was often that the NGK will last longer than stock as well as the typical giving 'better' spark benefits. In fact, the box that the NGK comes in has a claim of 130% better sparks - hence more power from the engine. The NGK cables are brand new, and supplied by Dynojet Far East to help settle the debate.
The dyno runs were performed immediately one after the other, with only the minimum of delay necessitated by having to switch off the engine to replace the plug cables. To get straight to the point, the three dyno runs are produced below. The power curves are: green is for the stock cable, red for the generic 8mm silicon, and blue for the NGK blue cable.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The car used is a JDM Honda Integra XSi with the B16A engine. The stock plug cable has been in use for the better part of 8 years. At this age, many will begin recommending their replacement by aftermarket cables, often citing that they will be worn out and thus not giving good sparks.
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Here's the link to the chart:
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...rticle_id=8680
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The actual power outputs are not crucial and have been removed from the charts to make the comparison more straightforward. The most important point from the charts is that the stock spark-plug cables produced the highest and most consistent power curve. The most significant factor is the smoothness of the stock cable's power curve. Both the 'generic' 8mm silicon cable and the NGK were seen to be misfiring as evidenced by their jagged curves after 5000rpm and especially in the VTEC rpm band. Both 8mm silicon and NGK delivered about the same max power which is about 1ps lower than that produced by the stock cables. Note that the stock cables, although 8 years old, consistently produced better power all across the dynoed rpm band, 3000rpm till the 8000rpm red-line. Especially surprising is the fact that the stock cables did not misfire, thus proving that they produce more consistent sparks even compared to the brand new and supposedly superior NGK blue cables !
The results although probably shocking to many enthusiasts are in fact what have often been recommended by the best tuners. Many enthusiasts naturally are reluctant to accept the fact, no matter how highly they respect those tuners but with this comparison, TOVA hopes that the question have been conclusively answered and the debates are now closed. Stock spark-plug cables are the best !
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Good enough?
Here's some food for thought:
The world's quickest N/A Honda, Erick's Racing, runs high 9's in the 1/4 mile.
...and they do it with 100% O.E STOCK ignition!
Also this is taken from someone who tested old-*** O.E wires against brand new NGK blues - the 10 year old O.E wires did BETTER than brand new NGK Blues!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Aftermarket cable number 1 represents the generic 8mm silicon 'high performance' replacement cables. Often these cables are marketed by performing a side-by-side comparison on a special setup where first the stock cable are used to connect a spark-plug to an ignition coil. The sparks produced at the plug will be seen to be weak and dull. Next, replacement of the 8mm silicon cable will be done and now the sparks at the plug can clearly be seen to be bright and strong. From this 'conclusive' demonstration, the benefits to power output will be inferred. I will not be embarrassed to admit that I myself have bought three sets of such cables in my earlier Honda ownership days (when I was driving SOHC engine models), often being conclusively convinced by the demonstration and then actually believing that I felt improvements from the cables. I have owned this cable for about 5 years, using them on and off.
Aftermarket cable number 2 is the famous NGK 'blue' cable, ie NGK Hyper Silicon. Having the same diameter as stock cables (and thus the added advantage of direct replacement), the NGK is a cable that even HKS has recommended over stock. The logic given was often that the NGK will last longer than stock as well as the typical giving 'better' spark benefits. In fact, the box that the NGK comes in has a claim of 130% better sparks - hence more power from the engine. The NGK cables are brand new, and supplied by Dynojet Far East to help settle the debate.
The dyno runs were performed immediately one after the other, with only the minimum of delay necessitated by having to switch off the engine to replace the plug cables. To get straight to the point, the three dyno runs are produced below. The power curves are: green is for the stock cable, red for the generic 8mm silicon, and blue for the NGK blue cable.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The car used is a JDM Honda Integra XSi with the B16A engine. The stock plug cable has been in use for the better part of 8 years. At this age, many will begin recommending their replacement by aftermarket cables, often citing that they will be worn out and thus not giving good sparks.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Here's the link to the chart:
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...rticle_id=8680
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The actual power outputs are not crucial and have been removed from the charts to make the comparison more straightforward. The most important point from the charts is that the stock spark-plug cables produced the highest and most consistent power curve. The most significant factor is the smoothness of the stock cable's power curve. Both the 'generic' 8mm silicon cable and the NGK were seen to be misfiring as evidenced by their jagged curves after 5000rpm and especially in the VTEC rpm band. Both 8mm silicon and NGK delivered about the same max power which is about 1ps lower than that produced by the stock cables. Note that the stock cables, although 8 years old, consistently produced better power all across the dynoed rpm band, 3000rpm till the 8000rpm red-line. Especially surprising is the fact that the stock cables did not misfire, thus proving that they produce more consistent sparks even compared to the brand new and supposedly superior NGK blue cables !
The results although probably shocking to many enthusiasts are in fact what have often been recommended by the best tuners. Many enthusiasts naturally are reluctant to accept the fact, no matter how highly they respect those tuners but with this comparison, TOVA hopes that the question have been conclusively answered and the debates are now closed. Stock spark-plug cables are the best !
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Re: Which spark plug wires (93 EJ1)
I run on Accel spiral cores. Just for my self. It's one less thing to worry about. plus they look good against all that dull engine. I just like the way they look. Plus they are a little thicker than stock (@8mm) which can't hurt). just my $.02
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Re: Which spark plug wires (Civic-Ex-98)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Civic-Ex-98 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I run on Accel spiral cores. Just for my self. It's one less thing to worry about. plus they look good against all that dull engine. I just like the way they look. Plus they are a little thicker than stock (@8mm) which can't hurt). just my $.02</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dude I'm sorry but Accel wires suck *****.
Nearly every set we've had come through our shop fell apart when someone tried to pull them off to change spark plugs.
I'm not trying to personally attack you, it's just that Accel wires are some of the worst ones out there...
Dude I'm sorry but Accel wires suck *****.
Nearly every set we've had come through our shop fell apart when someone tried to pull them off to change spark plugs.
I'm not trying to personally attack you, it's just that Accel wires are some of the worst ones out there...
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Re: Which spark plug wires (B18C5-EH2)
thats cool, but i've had mine for over a year and changed plugs three times and wires are still fine. but hey every one has there own take on things, i am just trying to help out with info, not trashing someone elses setup.
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Re: Which spark plug wires (Grimm)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Grimm »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bosch is for domestics
iridium or something is for imports...
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Why? Do they spark different?
iridium or something is for imports...
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Why? Do they spark different?
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Re: Which spark plug wires (B18C5-EH2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A few points real quick:
Here's some food for thought:
The world's quickest N/A Honda, Erick's Racing, runs high 9's in the 1/4 mile.
...and they do it with 100% O.E STOCK ignition!
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good info!!maybe that will help convince people that you don't need aftermarket ignitions and crazy plug wires for practically ANY NA setup.
people may argue that "my brand X wires are great-never had a problem"-but it's been proven that none perform better than OEM,not to mention you can't beat the quality of the OEM wires.
chris
Here's some food for thought:
The world's quickest N/A Honda, Erick's Racing, runs high 9's in the 1/4 mile.
...and they do it with 100% O.E STOCK ignition!
</TD></TR></TABLE>
good info!!maybe that will help convince people that you don't need aftermarket ignitions and crazy plug wires for practically ANY NA setup.
people may argue that "my brand X wires are great-never had a problem"-but it's been proven that none perform better than OEM,not to mention you can't beat the quality of the OEM wires.
chris
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Re: Which spark plug wires (TeamNextGenChris)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamNextGenChris »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
good info!!maybe that will help convince people that you don't need aftermarket ignitions and crazy plug wires for practically ANY NA setup.
people may argue that "my brand X wires are great-never had a problem"-but it's been proven that none perform better than OEM,not to mention you can't beat the quality of the OEM wires.
chris</TD></TR></TABLE>
I use an MSD SCI and blaster coil because they gets me better gas mileage. I've installed MSD boxes on every vehicle I've owned and they all net 1-3mpg increases and smoother powerbands. It's not a power mod for me, just a nice added touch.
good info!!maybe that will help convince people that you don't need aftermarket ignitions and crazy plug wires for practically ANY NA setup.
people may argue that "my brand X wires are great-never had a problem"-but it's been proven that none perform better than OEM,not to mention you can't beat the quality of the OEM wires.
chris</TD></TR></TABLE>
I use an MSD SCI and blaster coil because they gets me better gas mileage
. I've installed MSD boxes on every vehicle I've owned and they all net 1-3mpg increases and smoother powerbands. It's not a power mod for me, just a nice added touch.
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Re: (gen5hatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gen5hatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oem from honda dealer or just from advance/pepboys</TD></TR></TABLE>
from Honda.the crap they sell at auto parts stores are even worse than many of the aftermarket wires.
chris
from Honda.the crap they sell at auto parts stores are even worse than many of the aftermarket wires.
chris
