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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 08:49 AM
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Im trying to play around with my stock D16Z6 ...but Im really confused as which way to go.....Im not a spoiled rich kid +nor do I have the time to steal parts+ and they kill me with taxes after I get paid which leaves me with like $500 to spend every 4 weeks.....Im trying to get low 14s...so do I use the NA D16 post or make a home made turbo ..........Take this in consideration..

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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 08:51 AM
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A turbo D will get you into the low 14s much chepaer/easier than a N/A D. You can slap a greddy kit (with fmic and some decent tuning) on a fairly lightweight car and hit the low 14s no problem.
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 09:46 AM
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build up that motor so u can say u beat that b series motor without a turbo
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 09:52 AM
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A guerrilla turbo would be the best bet for your 14's mark, between the two choices. You can pick up Eclipse parts for it or just buy bits and pieces of d-series turbo parts off people if that better suits you.
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 09:53 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Vtecin94dx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">build up that motor so u can say u beat that b series motor without a turbo </TD></TR></TABLE>

He said he doesn't have much money, turbo it. Been covered many times it will be faster and cheaper than an NA build up.
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 09:57 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PriMaTe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

He said he doesn't have much money, turbo it. Been covered many times it will be faster and cheaper than an NA build up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

If he had a light car and did a little bit of tuning and maybe some head work he could be in the 14's
BTW what the **** kinda car u driving?
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 09:58 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Vtecin94dx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If he had a light car and did a little bit of tuning and maybe some head work he could be in the 14's
BTW what the **** kinda car u driving?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think so. Not on a z6. He would have to be riding in close to a 1800lb car to reach the 14s driving his *** off.
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 10:13 AM
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I don't know if you've been there yet, but be sure to check out http://www.turbod16.com.
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 10:40 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ricey McRicerton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I don't think so. Not on a z6. He would have to be riding in close to a 1800lb car to reach the 14s driving his *** off. </TD></TR></TABLE>

of course he can. In Spokane, WA, elevation 2500 feet, I ran a 15.5 @89 mph 2 years ago. 2.3 60 foot, stock bottom end with 130k miles, rebuilt head with my brother's port work, and stock cam. Stock exhaust manifold and crush bent 2.25 inch piping and full interior w/o power steering.

I'm shooting for 14's in my hatch this year with a low mile single cam bone stock with bolt ons and Hondata.

This will be in my fairly gutted daily driven 40 mpg Si
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 10:53 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Emerika &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

of course he can. In Spokane, WA, elevation 2500 feet, I ran a 15.5 @89 mph 2 years ago. 2.3 60 foot, stock bottom end with 130k miles, rebuilt head with my brother's port work, and stock cam. Stock exhaust manifold and crush bent 2.25 inch piping and full interior w/o power steering.

I'm shooting for 14's in my hatch this year with a low mile single cam bone stock with bolt ons and Hondata.

This will be in my fairly gutted daily driven 40 mpg Si </TD></TR></TABLE>
HELL THE **** YA! right on man
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 11:01 AM
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turbo will be cheaper to go faster, but i hate the idea of tight budget turbo projects. they ALWAYS become more expensive than planned. and if not you sacrafice reliability
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 11:05 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GERM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">turbo will be cheaper to go faster, but i hate the idea of tight budget turbo projects. they ALWAYS become more expensive than planned. and if not you sacrafice reliability</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea thats what is scaring me away from boost...its all motor d series right now for me.
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 11:08 AM
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NA d16z6... i'm the only one! its alright, i'm biased anyway. a zex cam or maybe a crower unit along with some good headwork will be pleasing. p29 pistons also spice it up a bit..

however, i do believe that it'll be cheaper to get faster with the turbo. i'm just doing the all-motor single cam thing because nobody else has... seriously, the expression when you beat that other car with an all motor sohc... just priceless

besides, you get this cool sticker too
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 11:13 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmsiR20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NA d16z6... i'm the only one! its alright, i'm biased anyway. a zex cam or maybe a crower unit along with some good headwork will be pleasing. p29 pistons also spice it up a bit..

however, i do believe that it'll be cheaper to get faster with the turbo. i'm just doing the all-motor single cam thing because nobody else has... seriously, the expression when you beat that other car with an all motor sohc... just priceless

besides, you get this cool sticker too </TD></TR></TABLE>
haha HELL YA ^
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 11:13 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GERM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">turbo will be cheaper to go faster, but i hate the idea of tight budget turbo projects. they ALWAYS become more expensive than planned. and if not you sacrafice reliability</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, they do get to be more expensive than you would first imagine. I promise. My last setup was supossed to barely break 2k and now about 2600 dollars later I have everything. If you boost, make sure you have about twice as much as you would like it to cost you before you get started.

EDIT: BTW, I hate you Evan and I hate you Dustin.
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 11:15 AM
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**** turbo...talk to mista bone and RyanCivic2000...then get a 75 shot and run 13's...end of story
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 11:17 AM
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hell ya wanna be fast for cheap then just spray, but that **** u got to refill so thats why i wouldnt go that way...
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 11:29 AM
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even RyanCivic2000 is planning on going with a turbo setup now.
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 11:34 AM
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GReddy turbo

best bang for the buck!
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 11:44 AM
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i say turbo it
u can get a turbo kit for less than a grand and you will prolly run 13s high..
maybe but do some searches go in classifieds and hondaclassifieds.com they got stuff for u..
not too expensive either..
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 12:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmsiR20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NA d16z6... i'm the only one! its alright, i'm biased anyway. a zex cam or maybe a crower unit along with some good headwork will be pleasing. p29 pistons also spice it up a bit..

however, i do believe that it'll be cheaper to get faster with the turbo. i'm just doing the all-motor single cam thing because nobody else has... seriously, the expression when you beat that other car with an all motor sohc... just priceless

besides, you get this cool sticker too </TD></TR></TABLE>

Seriously....the Z6 makes lots of power with head work and intake flow. Compression is stupid low stock....9.2:1 :butt face:

mid 10:1 compression with decent head work and you'll have a great setup.

And I would think twice about the p29 pistons....PM6 slugs would be much more suitable. And trust me, there are plenty NA SOHC's out there, you're not the only one
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 01:03 PM
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i have had both turbo and na set up on a sohc...the turbo set is definately the power maker but you definately pay for it ( i had the fmax kit ) unless you go with greddy but they can only go so far before you have to add on to it

my na set up was on a z6 and i had some 10.1:1 pistons and crower rods with a gude head...damn that thing was ill...the gude head is money well spent...i had no problem smoking gsr's and si's.

so its just a matter of what you want you could go either or for what you are willing to spend...but i say go turbo cuz there is more room for improvement but if you are lookin to just do some and call it quits get the gude head..highly recommended!!!
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 01:57 PM
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You can run nicer times with that engine. Just Get 4 1.6 liters Suzuki Vitara Pistons, 4 ZC single cam rods and 4 eclipse inyectors and with the stock ECU, head, cams and some goods hands to set it up you cold run 13.s and even 12s. Proved
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 02:21 PM
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I'd like to hear more about these Vitara pistons
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 02:24 PM
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It'd be more impressive with NA, but I suppose a turbo would do nicely on the budget
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