will he eg civic triangle bar for a eg hatch fit? i don't think i have ever see one in a delsol?

 

Can't answer your question specifically, but holla up Phantom_Sol over at Superhonda.com. He's got this prototype triangular trunk brace thingamajig. Looks clean. Maybe he can help you.

 

site is down? do you have his email address?

 

phantom_sol@hotmail.com

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OOsi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">these things have been discussed here over and over again. based solely on design they dont do anything more than a rear strut tower bar. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i dunno, i felt a very ~slight~ difference when the triangulated bar was added. but it wasnt as noticable as lets say, a good lower tie bar. while a rear strut bar (thats preloaded) does make a difference, the biggest and most unexpected change was from the trunk bar. (not trinagulated bar)

by far the trunk bar made the biggest difference in handling, it made the rear snap back faster and was easier to predict.

 

phantom,
do you have any pictures of your truck or triangle bar you can post?

 

 

*grumble* /me holds the ricer comments to himself.


honestly, just spend less amount of money and go to an autocross with your car, you'll be faster once you learn to drive the car. a bar isn't going to make much of a difference at all.

edit: a quote from when this same question appeared in RR/AC a few days ago

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Doctor CorteZ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">both of those are complete overkill , its an independent rear suspension car , all you really want to do is get rid of deflection where the control arms pick up and maintain suspension geometry , what do you car how stiff the hatch is ?
anything past the UCA points is just along for the ride anyway.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

phanton,
that's exaclty what i want. do you have a part number? i like to order them.
thanks

 

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That is so dumb and pointless on a sol. The trunk is not the thing that needs to be stiffen up. Hatches yes because they have no front trunk wall. In the sol, it is floppy because of the targa, and the passenger compartment is the thing that needs the stiffening. Also, each one of those bars are like $100. Just buy a good rear strut bar (skunk2, nuespeed, ect) and it will be just as good as that over kill setup. Also, that makes the sol a completly useless car. Now you can not put any long items in the trunk (golf bags come to mind). In a small car like the sol, there has to be trunk room, other wise the car is completely unpracticle.


Road racing and autocross is just like any sport. Everyone always blames their equiptment, so they buy the lastest gemics, wasting hundreds of dollars, yet even with the new high tech gadget, they still suck because they have the completely wrong form. With the money you waste on expensive thing that do almost nothing, you could have seen much better results with a driving school.

 

i'm not sure about over kill, it could only help by looking at it design, how would a rear strut bar be better then the triangle? i never have one so i can't say if it will help or not. I personlay don't care about truck space, if i need to trunk space, i drive my truck.

 

i agree, doesn't seem like it would aid in stiffening up the chassis. but then like i have said before, everybit helps, especially in a del sol. if you want the ultimate, i say go with a roll cage and stiffen up the cockpit, where it needs it the most, although it won't be very daily driven friendly.

 

dont waist your dough

 

LoL....if he cared about trunk space would he of done that? I doubt it, so why not stop posting jibberish on someone trying something different???? Have you personally tried one of these in a del sol and seen the difference? I doubt it, if ya havnt you cant give any first person experience and knowledge so why not put your tail between your legs and stop flaming someone trying to do something different...

done venting

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fd3st04r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm not sure about over kill, it could only help by looking at it design, how would a rear strut bar be better then the triangle? i never have one so i can't say if it will help or not. I personlay don't care about truck space, if i need to trunk space, i drive my truck.</TD></TR></TABLE>

how is that a triangle? it's a Z.

PLUS all the mounts, are joints. there's no stiffness there. it's a waste of money, and probably expensive too. read my last post. he knows what he's talking about.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quik sol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LoL....if he cared about trunk space would he of done that? I doubt it, so why not stop posting jibberish on someone trying something different???? Have you personally tried one of these in a del sol and seen the difference? I doubt it, if ya havnt you cant give any first person experience and knowledge so why not put your tail between your legs and stop flaming someone trying to do something different...

done venting</TD></TR></TABLE>

how would we need experience in something that obviously doesn't work, to know it doesn't work? Do you really think those two extra points flex much at all? I'm not telling him not to buy something different, im telling him that it's a waste of money to buy something that's overpriced and does nothing. A strut bar does little, and that won't do any more.

 

have u tried it? NO! point made, good night i am getting off work from 3rd shift and going to bed so have a good morning good after noon good evening and good night!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quik sol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have u tried it? NO! point made, good night i am getting off work from 3rd shift and going to bed so have a good morning good after noon good evening and good night!</TD></TR></TABLE>

this argument is so pointless. The only time that those two other bars would be usefull is if you got hit on the side. Really, your car already comes with the lower one, but in a postion where it actually needs it, and it plays dual functions. It is call your bumper (not bumper cover, the steel thing underneath the body panel)

Yes, these will stiffen up the car a LITTLE more then just a good strut bar, but not much more, and the average driver will not even feel it.

Also, the sol is a pretty husky car for its size so adding weight with almost useless bars is conterproductive. True, each bar may only weight 5lbs, but every little bit helps.


Finally, your argument "oh have you tried it? No, so Shut up" is stupid. If you use your little nuggen, with a little bit of physics reasoning, you would see that it really does not do that much. It is in a closed box. Again, in a teg or a hatch, this may be useful, but not in a sol. Also to your arguement, everyone should go out and buy the EBay heat chip that delivers 3049820934802 extra hp, thanks to those brillant ebay engineers, and while they are at it, should buy the E-supercharger. We have not tried it, so It must be good.

 

damn that bar is phat

 

man people are harsh....

the triangulated i admit didnt help significantly (but didnt mean i couldnt try right?)

the trunk bar helped though. the one that sits the farthest back. that made the biggest difference over a rear strut tower bar.

sorry for being a t00l and getting these bars. to each his own right? well i guess its not even worth it to even say what you have. ****'s of h-t will just tear you down.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phantom_sol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">man people are harsh....

the triangulated i admit didnt help significantly (but didnt mean i couldnt try right?)

the trunk bar helped though. the one that sits the farthest back. that made the biggest difference over a rear strut tower bar.

sorry for being a t00l and getting these bars. to each his own right? well i guess its not even worth it to even say what you have. ****'s of h-t will just tear you down.</TD></TR></TABLE>

there's a difference saying your bar is crap, you should not have bought it..
you already did, so i'm not going to say anything.
I'm just advising against purchasing a 400 dollar "bar set" when you could spend just a little more, get a roll bar, that *will* stiffen the chassis.
Nice car otherwise, btw.

 

phantom_sol,
maybe you're driving sucks , i will buy the bar off you though , how much lol.
AmginE,
have you ever see a roll bar in a delsol? i don't know who made them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fd3st04r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have you ever see a roll bar in a delsol? i don't know who made them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

cusco, but they are totally hard to find. not sure if autopower makes one. best bet is just to go custom.

 

the bars in the picture are from http://www.emracing.com so you might want to contact them and see if they can do anything for you, if you really want them. Emracing might be able to custom make you a set for your car.


Modified by Evil_gambit33 at 8:07 PM 2/14/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fd3st04r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">phantom_sol,
maybe you're driving sucks , i will buy the bar off you though , how much lol.
AmginE,
have you ever see a roll bar in a delsol? i don't know who made them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what the hell? you dont knwo how i drive.....

and i didnt get the setup for 400 dollars, i had a discount since they werent made for the sol. while yes, i do think a roll cage would have been better, a local shop quoted me to 900 dollars. after teardown measurements and weld-in's.

i will take sub 300 any day...

cusco bars i heard were more for show than function. around 500-600 if you can find them in the us. otherwise ship from japan. good luck reading the websites in japanese and being able to order.though i would thinka roll bar of any sort would help. but feel free to prove me wrong.


autopower doesnt make one, i checked

i also inquired to other companies and they said there wasnt a market and no one around to test fit. i cant drive out to california to drop my car off -_-


bst wouldbe to get custom, but i dont have a grand to spend right now, while i could be using that to get better suspension


btw, sorry for coming off as an *******, everyone is entitled to their opinions and i shouldnt take offence, because really, they didnt make much difference and i admit it. i just wanted to see for myself. h-t isnt full of ****'s just people who have better technical know-how than i do. i'm still learning...