Ok guys I got a 91 CRX si.....already has a ZC swap in it. My question is basically, do i invest money into turbo, or do i invest money into a b-series swap. Looking to run 14's all day on street daily driver, 13's would be nice. Money isnt plentifull, so the b-series would not be boosted. thanks

 

Since you already have a zc, money is tight, and you want only 14's or high 13's why not just run a basic turbo setup on your zc. 6-8 intercooled psi and you should be running the times you want to. If you want more you can always build the zc at a later date and turn up the boost.

 

Right that was what my boy told me, but if you think about it, a DECENT kit will run me 1200-1500, plus im gonna need all the electronics, so that will put me around 2k or so, so why not spend 500 more and have a second gen b16.

 

You could always go the "homemade turbo" route. Check out http://www.homemadeturbo.com.

I dumped my old zc in favor of a b16a and i am happy but now i want more so most likely i am going to boost it. Basically the cycle never ends.

 

if you have a choice between a zc turbo and a b16 go with the zc turbo, it will be more fun, will run in the high 13,s

 

deff go with the turbo'd zc... if i didnt put a rod through my zc block, id be running the same set-up

 

Definitely zc turbo

 

thanks guys ill let you know how it goes, looks like Turbo ZC for now, unless a cheap *** b-series comes along......unlikley....hehe thanks

 

do not boost stock dohc zc over 8 pounds..rods can only handle 200hp. yea homemade says 220 blah.... but for sure do zc turbo....thats the route i took..... b16's are cool but when a d-series dust's on one people tend to get a bit pissed. plus if u look at it complete b16's first gen are 1400 complete swap.. dohc zc 800.00 full swap. zc 130hp...b16 160hp dont pay 700-800 dollars more for 30 more ponys...BOOST it and **** um off!!!!!!!!!!

 

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...BOOST it and **** um off!!!!!!!!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

i totally agree! turbo zc will be more fun than being another "b16 swap kid"...

-cody

 

i love dohc zc's. they are really a great motor when you think about it. they just dont get to take advantage of the superb b-series trannies (curable with mixing/matching of several d-series tranny parts).

 

I understand, but I am always looking to Grow on my setup, as you all know there is only SO MUCH you can get outta ZC, a b16 would be a much better base, if the money is there, and the money is there if i do not boost.

 

I didn't even read this thread, but you'd be silly to invest money in even a new timing belt on a d-series

 

id say go b16 but thats what i did and im happy every one in my area has a zc vtec in there car but i have the b16 idk i guess its up to what you want to do i thinky ou will benifit fromt the b16 in the long run if you plan to hav ethe car for a while

 

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****NEWS FLASH**** the ZC is DOHC but not vtec, so no one in your area has a VTEC zc unless you are easly fooled,everyone and they brothers have both the b16 or the ZC. but between the two I would say B16 all the way, the B16 has more possiblities and resale value would be much more than a ZC. The choice is yours. Personally if I wanted turbo and a good amount of power I would do a Z6 swap with a homemadeturbo.com setup. you can get the d16z6 swaps for dirty cheap like 300 bucks plus 500 on a homemade turbo setup and like 300 on basic maintence (like clutch & flywheel, timing belt and water pump) and you setup would be faster than both. plus you could sell you ZC to some to cover some of the cost. Just my opinion you do what you want.

 

i have a zc turbo(dohc), right now its at 208whp and 190 torque at 9psi on a built engine, i think thats alot more power and fun than a stock b16.

 

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****NEWS FLASH**** the ZC is DOHC but not vtec, so no one in your area has a VTEC zc unless you are easly fooled,everyone and they brothers have both the b16 or the ZC. but between the two I would say B16 all the way, the B16 has more possiblities and resale value would be much more than a ZC. The choice is yours. Personally if I wanted turbo and a good amount of power I would do a Z6 swap with a homemadeturbo.com setup. you can get the d16z6 swaps for dirty cheap like 300 bucks plus 500 on a homemade turbo setup and like 300 on basic maintence (like clutch & flywheel, timing belt and water pump) and you setup would be faster than both. plus you could sell you ZC to some to cover some of the cost. Just my opinion you do what you want.</TD></TR></TABLE>

D15b, check out that engine code fool. nowhere did he mention DOHC ZC, he just simply said ZC vtec. Anyway, Go with the ZC turbo because it sounds like money is tight. ZC turbo can be VERY nice, just check out what http://www.quickhonda.net did to his ZC, I love that engine that he built. Wouldn't go through all the hell he did, but it is one of the CRXs I respect the most. I just decided to beat my head against the wall and save up for a B16....regardless, you will get a lot of respect for the ZC turbo if you build it right, which really shouldn't cost too much more than a B16a complete swap. Mine came out to near $5k since I didn't get the Hmotors "drop in" and found out I had to get all these extra parts after I got the motor. If my B16a goes now, money is tight, so I would immediately order a ZC and turbo the hell out of it.

 

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D15b, check out that engine code fool. nowhere did he mention DOHC ZC, he just simply said ZC vtec. Anyway, Go with the ZC turbo because it sounds like money is tight. ZC turbo can be VERY nice, just check out what http://www.quickhonda.net did to his ZC, I love that engine that he built. Wouldn't go through all the hell he did, but it is one of the CRXs I respect the most. I just decided to beat my head against the wall and save up for a B16....regardless, you will get a lot of respect for the ZC turbo if you build it right, which really shouldn't cost too much more than a B16a complete swap. Mine came out to near $5k since I didn't get the Hmotors "drop in" and found out I had to get all these extra parts after I got the motor. If my B16a goes now, money is tight, so I would immediately order a ZC and turbo the hell out of it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Read to who I was replying to....1gen crxer. And the fact that you spent nearly 5k on a B16 shows you are a moron...go hide in shame for that statement!

 

just turbo what you have, ZC d16,d15 can all handle the same HP about 220 safely. 10psi in a d16 or 8psi in a ZC, pretty much same thing.

 

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yes, you are a retard.

 

SPOKEN AS THE TRUE B16 LOVER U ARE. WOW, A B16...160 1,400 FOR THE SWAP.... I BOUGHT MY DOHC ZC COMPLETE 550 BUCKS.. EVERYTHING... ANOTHER 560 IN TO THE TURBO SET UP. INCLUDING FRONT MOUNT, BOV. LINES-PIPING.. FINAL COST........1,110$.. SO DID I WASTE MONEY??? NAH I MAKE B16 BOYS CRY.. AND I LOVE IT.. BUT I DONT BLAME U FOR THAT COMMENT, YA GOTTA DO WHATS " IN ".

 

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He already has the ZC, he can go turbo and get better rods and pistoons if he does the work for less or not much more than what a B16 swap is really going to cost him. Not figuring what he could recoup selling his current motor.

I am running a B16 now, and ran a ZC last 2.5 years. Would have loved to go turbo, but premium fuel is expensive. Given the two options ZC turbo or B16 N/A I would go the Turbo ZC route. But 2nd gen B16 prices are more than $500 difference from 1st gen B16.

 

hey man nothing more fun the a b16 IMO... but if th moneys tight a turbo zc is the way to go. a good turbo set up can only run you like 700 bux if ya do it right... and yeah... a turbo zc would have kicked my *** when i was running my b16 =\

 

Yes but a turbo ZC is gonna stomp all over a Normally aspirated B16. Since he already has a ZC he can built it for what a Stock B16 is gonna cost him to drop in.

 

ok there is a guy here that has a turbo zc and he was running an average of like 15's all day with a best of i think a 14.6 or something...there is also a stock civic si with a b16 swap and was running a ls tranny and did a 14.7...so the math, b16 swap for sure