Im getting a motor swap done to my 91 civic dx. some shops say go with a SOHC VTEC (d16z6 or d16y8) with the dx tranny and some say i shud go with a SOHC ZC and again the dx tranny. What do i do??? which is a better motor?? and is my dx tranny gonna slow me down ??? I need help!!! Thanks for the input


Modified by allicedout at 8:01 PM 2/6/2004

 

Type R (i'm not kiddin - HaSport makes a bolt in). Perhaps I should ask first though how much money you have? I'd look at a b16, for $1000 more you'd have a lot more performance and potential.

 

see thats the thing, i can go with a b16 but then i can't get my car painted or the interior dun. I don't want mad performance, but i want a motor thats more bolt on friendly.

 

Go with the DOHC ZC or the d16z6

 

everytime someone buys a d-series, a puppy dies

 

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A b16 is more bolt on friendly than a ZC and is a damn fun motor for a daily driver.


**** looks, my car is bone stock on the outside, it's all about whats under the hood. Unless your car is in real bad shape and is falling apart put your money where is belongs, under the hood. Nothing like the feeling of a $30K IS 300, or a 3 series BMW pulling up to you and getting smoked by a 5K 13 yr old Civic. The look on their face is priceless


Sleepers own!!!!!!

 

Hahahah Hybrid, nice Larry David avatar.

 

im with hybrid honda on this one i cant wait till i get my b16 the way i want it so iam making mustang and camaro drivers pee thier pants when i beat em at the track

 

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well the sohc zc and the d16z6/y8 are totally different motors. the sohc zc is comparable to the crx si d16a6. the d16z6/y8 will be faster, so i'd go that route. if you were talking about a DOHC ZC, then that's more of a thought process as some people prefer the dohc zc over the sohc vtec and vice versa. you can usually find a dohc zc for cheaper though...

-cody

 

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Gotta give props to the creator of Seinfeld!

 

I think the Z6 or Y8 will be more bolt on friendly in stock form.

On the other hand, Z6's are getting pricey so maybe settle for an A6 and rebuild it. From what I understand, it's relatively the same as an SOHC ZC, but has a slightly more aggresive cam. Don't bother with the more expensive ZC in that case... just settle with the A6, rebuild to breathe new life into it, and then slap in a sick Exospeed cam. The Z6 would be cheaper after all this, but what's the point of getting a 10+ year old motor and expecting it to live for a long time? If you got the money - Z6 it and add boost.

Same applies with the B16. OLD *** motor and people bow to it like it's a god. Search a bit on this board and compare that heavy B motor to the A6 storied. There's quite a few people out there saying they go head to head with the B16 with an A6.

If you're are going to do a B motor then do it right and get a newer Type-R motor. Not much for rebuild worries and enough power to make sense for adding the extra weight you gain with the B motor and tranny.

I'm going to go hide under a rock now. I can feel the flames about to begin.

 

i have to admit the zc and sohc vtec motors are quite slow stock, so if you are looking for a motor to bolt in and leave alone as far as internals or mods, get a b16 and you will be happy.

 

Get NOTHING with the DX tranny that suks azz. DOHC with ZC trannyis not slow, take my word on that, its pretty damn quick if its running right. Particularly compared to stock Si. Sure there are faster motors, but they start at twice the cost of a ZC swap and go up rapidly from there.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4drEF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the Z6 or Y8 will be more bolt on friendly in stock form.

On the other hand, Z6's are getting pricey so maybe settle for an A6 and rebuild it. From what I understand, it's relatively the same as an SOHC ZC, but has a slightly more aggresive cam. Don't bother with the more expensive ZC in that case... just settle with the A6, rebuild to breathe new life into it, and then slap in a sick Exospeed cam. The Z6 would be cheaper after all this, but what's the point of getting a 10+ year old motor and expecting it to live for a long time? If you got the money - Z6 it and add boost.

Same applies with the B16. OLD *** motor and people bow to it like it's a god. Search a bit on this board and compare that heavy B motor to the A6 storied. There's quite a few people out there saying they go head to head with the B16 with an A6.

If you're are going to do a B motor then do it right and get a newer Type-R motor. Not much for rebuild worries and enough power to make sense for adding the extra weight you gain with the B motor and tranny.

I'm going to go hide under a rock now. I can feel the flames about to begin.</TD></TR></TABLE>


h22 = b18c5 &gt; b18c &gt; b16 &gt; zc, d16.


There are your options in a nutshell, how fast do you want to go?


Just because a motor is old does not mean it's beat. Maybe I just got lucky and even though my motor came out of a 91 teg xsi, my b16 does not burn a drop of oil, and never gave me any problems.


My friend has a gude stage 3 head on a d15b with a header, fpr, fuel rail etc.... This is in a 93 DX.

I have a b16 with a full exhaust and thats it and I pull on him. I am not hating on the d series, but I am just giving you an example of how even a heavily modded d series does not keep up with a mild setup b16.


Once again, I am not hating on d series, they are cheap and can be fast and probably are fun to drive. I am just telling it how it is, he has a stage 3 head, I have a header and an 2.5" exhaust and I pull 2 cars from 40 to 100.

 

if you dont want too much performance but want some pep go d16z6 with si tranny and the right ecu some bolt ons and if your a good driver you could pull off low 15's if not quicker depending on the weight of your carhttp://pub161.ezboard.com/bbseriesalternative go there for more D series info and see what these guys can do with the single cam

 

go with a dohc zc, its cheap ,has nice touque and if later on you want more performance just turbo it ! zc,s love boost

 

yea after a rebuild!

 

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h22 = b18c5 &gt; b18c &gt; b16 &gt; zc, d16.


There are your options in a nutshell, how fast do you want to go?


Just because a motor is old does not mean it's beat. Maybe I just got lucky and even though my motor came out of a 91 teg xsi, my b16 does not burn a drop of oil, and never gave me any problems.


My friend has a gude stage 3 head on a d15b with a header, fpr, fuel rail etc.... This is in a 93 DX.

I have a b16 with a full exhaust and thats it and I pull on him. I am not hating on the d series, but I am just giving you an example of how even a heavily modded d series does not keep up with a mild setup b16.


Once again, I am not hating on d series, they are cheap and can be fast and probably are fun to drive. I am just telling it how it is, he has a stage 3 head, I have a header and an 2.5" exhaust and I pull 2 cars from 40 to 100.</TD></TR></TABLE>

umm... you're jokin right, yeah sure your gunna beat some fool with a stage 3 head, what kinda fuel managment was he runnin, intake? plus whats the stage 3 head built from? dude if he had his **** straight you wouldnt be pullin for ****, he would leave you in your ****.

 

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are u kidding me? if you can afford b-series do it...


ive had a dohc zc...dont get me wrong it was nice, but i hated getting pulled on by b16's and gsr's in third gear

 

b series worth the wait for money issues

 

First off, B16's suck little puppy *********... The D16z6 has just as much potential as the B16... 2 cams isnt always better than one... If you bump the compression up to match the b16 you Hp wont be much differant but the D-series will prolly put down more torque... And the D16Z6 is a VERY tuner friendly motor... And parts are cheaper for it... Not to mention it is a lighter motor, a direct bolt in, and a lot cheaper... Find an Si tranny for it and in it's stock form it will be pretty quick... So to all you B16 fans, Your motor isnt as great as everyone pretends it is... Just my $.02

 

yeah, if you change everything on the d-series it might be able to keep up to a stock b16....
don't waste your time with a D-series

 

bull, New pistons to put the comp. the same as the b16 and it will be right on its ***

 

Yo,a built turbo D will take an all motor B. Any day,Any time, A turbo D is cheap and fun. A turbo B wll take a turbo D,but its more $$

 

It all depends on how big your budget is. Small buget +DOHC ZC, big Buget = B18C5 and then you have the Turbo or frankenstein motor options.