i noticed that you have a b18 in your ef....i was just wondering how you're runnin everything.....mounts, wiring, tranny, axles etc. i'm getting ready for a b18c swap in my 90 dx, and haven't really been able to find much help online. just wondering if you could give me any good links, or good info....anything will help me out. all i've been able to find out is that i need to use a cable tranny. i was thinkin about going Y1 w/ OEM LSD. how's that sound? what are you runnin?

 

Basically I have a 98 JDM B18C built motor with a 60-1 turbo setup. I am running the HCP 4 eurathane mount kit with adjustable shift linkage. HP sheetmetal intake manifold, etc. I have a YS1 cable LS trans with a gsr final drive with Quaife LSD. That Y1 trans is good. Good gear ratios. Get the HCP mount kit...I sell them for 410....I can also rewire your DX harness to run multiport fuel injection instead of the dual point dx. Have you got the swap yet? If so...what ecu? Axles yet? 90-93 axles work, but it depends on the intermediate shaft that you are using. Fill me in on the motor, ecu stuff.

 

This is a little off the subject but, I am not totally sure my dx is wired correctly. I bought the car with the B16 installed so......Its a 1990 Crx Dx with a B16 Spoon Ecu and Spoon vtec controller if it matters. I just want to verify, so if you have a reference diagram or somthing. The car really hasn't run great since I bought it but I have fixed mostly everything. Thanks

 

yeah, i was hoping to hear that the Y1 was good for the swap....i have a problem though. how/where would i get one rebuilt if i chose to run that tranny? i heard that i can't do it since i can't get parts for it. i don't have the swap yet, or the engine. i wanted to get everything totally figured out before i bought anything. i was planning to buy the engine from http://www.sohfast.com and it comes with basically everything off the gsr. so i'd have the entire wiring harness....all sensors....everything. so i just need to know what i'll need to still get....i guess axles? mount kit....shift linkage......anything else i would need to get? about the wiring...i heard that it might be better to just run the entire GSR harness instead of trying to rewire the dx wiring. is this true? what would be the best year engine to get? i was thinking a 94-95 because they're generally cheaper than the other years....how would i go about the wiring since i have to mess with that OBD crap? would the multiport fuel injection rewiring work with the OBD thing? or would i still have to worry about that if i decided to rewire?

 

Will i have trouble with the Hydraulic tranny that comes with the B18c, that is what I am putting in my 90 hatch and you guys where talking about it. So I decided to add my problem. Do I need any special stuff to run the B18c hydro tranny, will it be a problem? thanks

 

yeah, i wanted (Still want to) to use the hydro tranny...but i heard it's complicated and not worth the time/effort to get it to setup right. if someone knows a good way to do it, i'm interested as well. but to answer your question, most people with a b18c in a 4g run it with a cable tranny.....not a hydro.

 

well if I don't get a desent answer, I guess I will try and figure it out my self. but thanks anyway gotatight92si. Maybe Blown90hatch can help?

 

yeah....i don't know why it won't work. i've never been able to get a good answer anywhere, and i've been asking/looking for a month now. i assume that it won't work because there's not a good place to mount the hydro booster....but i was thinking that you could just use the GSR master cylinder/hydro booster unit in it's entirety...but i don't know if it would fit. and i don't know exactly what you'd need to hook up. i too would like to use the hydro tranny, but i don't want to spend all the money on it, and THEN try to get it to work if it won't....you know, i don't have the money to buy and test fit things.....so maybe blown90hatch can help us out.

 

I thought about doing it. But then I realized what a waste of time, money, and brain power. Just go cable, JDM b16 or something. You can probably get a good tranny cheaper by swapping out internals with a Type R.

 

Stinkalope: Should run like a champ. My car with just the B16 ran 14.4-14.5 on street tires. I/H/E...crappy I/E, but dc header. Check to see a couple things. Do all 4 or the red wires from the injector resistor box go to each wire? Does the yellow wire from the injector resistor box go to 2 dx yellow wires? The descriptions are kinda hard. Is it throwing any codes? Let me know. If you want...you could send me the harness and I wll check it out for free. Just pay some shipping. Let me know. Also, you can verify that in the B10 location is an Orange wire. And in the B12 location is an White wire. Verify that the red wire onthe #2 injector runs to the A3 location. Verify that the yellow wire on the #4 injector goes to the A7 location. Verify that the blue/green wire from the distributor plug goes to the C1 location. Verify that the blue/yellow wire on the distributor plug goes to the C2 location.

HTH-Jason

 

GOTATITE:

Wow many questions: Okay. Here is the deal how much for a GSR swap? I have 1st gen B16a swaps with motor, cable tranny, Pr3 ecu, axles and harness. all for 1100 +shipping. The GSr swaps are like 2500 more than the B16a swap. Spend that extra 2500 on a clutch, good exhaust system, decide whether to go FI or NA. I only have the B18C swap in my car...because I pieced it together to build it. Has taken me like 1yr to piece everything together. You will not be able to run the GSR engine harness. It is way too complicated for you to rewire that...I would even waste my time on. OBD0 is (88-91). OBD1 is (92-95). If you decide to get the GSR...I can rewire your harness for multiport, then you can get an OBD0-OBD1 harness from me. This way you can run the GSR ecu, GSR distributor, and GSR injectors. This will make the most power, but again you still have to fork out the loot for the GSR. You can get a P28 chipped ECU, convert your car to OBS1. Basically that is what I have. I have the HCP mount kit for you with linkage. Axles come with the swap. LEt me know. I hope this helps.

Jason


[Modified by Blown90hatcH, 9:53 AM 10/8/2001]

 

Saggen Waggon:

It is such a pain in the butt to run the hydro in an EF. You have to add the lines, booster, resevoir, slave sleeves....just a grip of cash and grief. Just run the cable Y1, S1, or J1 trannies. These are fine. I am running a cable trans. You can get these rebuilt. Just find someone with a blown case and use thier internals. Sell that GSR tranny, and get a cable one. You will make out on the deal. GSr trans = 600....Cable trans = 300. HTH
Jason

 

gotatight....shaggen waggon:

Go look at a GSR or teggie at that and look at all the lines and crap that they have to run to get this thing to work. IT will cost you around 100 parts, plus labor, plus you have to mount all the lines. find a spot for the booster..etc. Dont bother. You will make money off the GSR trans when you buy the cable one.

HTH_J


[Modified by Blown90hatcH, 10:02 AM 10/8/2001]

 

what do you guys think I could get out of a stock B16 and a turbo. THe whole point in me wanting to put a B18c in the hatch is displacement. With a turbo of course = more power. Should I try to fork out the money and do the B18c turbo, or should I put the B16a in and start buying turbo parts.

 

Wow, I got some checking to do. Thanks blown90hatch for the help, I will have to get back to you to see if its all hooked up right.

 

DooDoo...ITR internals will not fit in a cable Bseries trans...UNLESS it is a YS1 big spline cable trans

 

ShaggenWaggon:

You could get a B16a swap...throw in some pistons, shot peen the B16 rods and boost like 15psi all day long. Get some 440 cc injectors, S-AFC for some tuning. That setup with a 90 dx turbo....will run easy low12's/high 11's all day long. Or if money is a prob...get the motor, boost it around 8psi and that will run low 13's...high 12's easy. I personally wouldnt get the B18c for the price. Do that later. Get a B18C block and build it on the side. Then when you have saved up enough loot...do it up.

 

What do you guys think I could do with a B16. I have $4500 dollars to spend , but after buying an engine that leaves me with less. Around 2700 dollars, I could maybe purchase a Turbo kit say build my own using Drag manifold and T3/T4.

i don't know.

What would 2700 dollars do for a B16, and no I donot want to go all motor.

 

okay....so you sell gsr swaps or something? what are they....3600? what all does that come with? and is it USDM? i'm lookin to go USDM....i can get like everythin.....i mean everything from a gsr for around $3500...but i'd still have to get the mounts and do the wiring.....what all would i get from you for the 3600? mounts too? do sell from a shop, or is it just on the side or something..i'm interested. would it have the paperwork with it and stuff? and what year GSR engine is that cost? let's say i stayed on the idea of a b18c. are they any good geared USDM cable tranny's i could use? i don't want to buy a Y1 LSD tranny if i can't even get it rebuilt before i slap it in there. also, about the rewiring thing.....if i got that from you, and that harness or whatever....could i "plug and play" with it afterwards? and how much would it cost? i have about $4,500 i can spend on everything.....excluding installation cuz i'm doing it myself with the help of a certified mechanic...daddy...hehe. if the swap has to wait a while for me to scrounge some more money, so be it....but i want to make sure i do it right the first time. as far as not wanting to go with a JDM b16, it's cuz i don't want to deal with the octane of the gas....most JDM engines require 95+ octane to run right....i know i *can* run it off like 91, or 93, but i don't want to deal with it. i know the USDM b18c runs perfect off only 91.....anyways, would you/do you sell everything i'd need for the swap besides labor? lol. i know where i can get the cable tranny, but i just need to know where i could get it rebuilt. hit me back with your thoughts. thanks.

 

haha. Just wanted to check.

Well I got the swap and mount kit = 1500 +shipping

Then you have to worry about the little things...hoses, coolant, misc.. = 100 bucks
Get a clutch = 350

You can build a decent turbo kit for around 2000.
Or build it from scratch...but that takes a while. I am doing mine from scratch...but time consuming. If I were you, I would get the B16 in there and save up some more loot for a turbo kit.

Or my best friend...NO2. B16a with all the goodies and a 75 shot...easy low 13s.

I am eventually going to spray a 50 shot on my car too.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^

 

gota:

I currently dont have any GSR swapsin stock. THat was an estimated price. you are definately wrong on the JDM octane ratings. I have a JDM B18C swap in my car. Here is the deal. How many 12:1 compress people do you know that run on 91 octane = zero. So basically, the higher the compression, the higher octane you want to run. But it only really matters beyond 10.8:1 compression. Are you going FI or NA? That is the deciding factor. Stock boost? Stock compression. I would get the B16a swap. spend the extra money on pistons, rods, etc. As far as the Tranny go..again it depends on FI or NA?

 

gota: My motors come with motor, trans, ecu, axles, harness.

Basically, you send me your DX harness and the GSR or B16a engine harness and I will wire it for multi port fuel injection and vtec. If you want to run the OBD1 gsr ecu, distributors, and injectors.....you can buy one of my harnesses that plugs into your stock ecu harness plugs and has OBD1(92-95) ecu plugs on the other end for the GSR ecu. When you get your harness back...you will have to plug in some wires to the ecu if you stay with OBD0 B16a. If you go with the GSR setup OBd1, then you will just have to move 2 wires and add 2. EASY directions to follow. I work for a shop on the side. I am actually a Mechanical Engineering dork who is finishing his degree. All our swaps come with start up warranty and receipts. We are currently looking for a new supplier so that we can offer cheaper prices than we already do.

 

what was that price for the B16 swap, 1500 is that right? Does that come with the mount kit for the B16 to EF, if not i would probably get the HCP mounts, those are the mounts of choice for me.

 

I read some where that they don't even offer a very high octane in most of Asia on the street. I forgot the #, but something in the high seventies or low eighties was all that was availible in most areas.