As im looking throught the ES directions, I see there is an option for sway bar bushings. I was wondering... would I be better off with the ES bushing or the Suspension Techniques swap bars (how much bigger that stock)?

 

The ST bar already comes with aftermarket bushing. No need to upgrade aftermarket sway bar bushing. The ES sway bushing kit would only be usefully on a stock sway bar.

 

does the suspension technique bars really make alot more difference than stock with ES?

 

OMIGOD YES! My '90 Si with ES bushings (all except hard mounts to car, which were replaced w/ new rubber) and ST rear bar, and otherwise stock suspension with the bar on the middle setting drifts on dry pavement with just a quick jab of the wheel. WHEEEEE! The only thing to watch out for is clearance issues with some aftermarket exhausts. The ST bar is quitea bit larger than the stock bar, and uses different mounting points, the concequence being that the bar sits in a different location. It should fit fine w/ the stock exhaust, but how many of us have the stock exhaust? good luck and remember, when the back end swings out, point the wheel where you want the car to go and nail the throttle.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by silverCRXTC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does the suspension technique bars really make alot more difference than stock with ES?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes. It's quite a bit bigger then stock and has things on the end of the sway where you can set it to oversteer understeer or nuetral.

 

Just as an FYI Greddy exh(SP) and ST swaybars work well together. No clearance issues at all. BTW the ST swaybar upgrade was a night and day diff from the OEM piece. 240k on the Stock Honda bushings and its a fun ride. I have the ES kit ready to install, just gotta find the time. HTH

 

how about clearance with the thermal exhast?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSRCRXsi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how about clearance with the thermal exhast?</TD></TR></TABLE>

And their turbo model exhaust?

 

I just installed most of the ES bushing kit and man what a pain. I didn't have access to a hydraulic press so it was tough. Probably spent about 10hrs (this included the motor mount inserts) and I'm still not done. Just have to put in the shifter bushings and the front ball joint boots.

Handling is better. Everything just feels a little more solid. My problem right now is the tires and no rear bar. ST bar goes in next.

 

Where is the best place to buy the ES bushings kit? I may just suck it up and pay a shop to put them in...i don't have a press and may just wuss out on this one

Vince

 

i really want to know if there is a big difference between stock sways with es bushing or st sways?

 

I bought mine at

Suspension Restoration Parts
Address: 319 Motor City Ct, Modesto, CA 95356
Phone: (209) 578-5101

They stock every single ES bushing kit available. I think it was about $130 for the kit plus $30 for the motor mount inserts. With the motor mounts the car shakes a bit more but if I adjust the idle a little higher it will probably be ok. With the motor mounts, I can do some nice little burnouts.

 

I did the ES master kit with trailing arm bushings minus the rear lower arms(waiting for 88 bushings). The ride is as if it is still on the H&R sport lowering springs I had.... I say do the bushings.... Then get the sways....

 

I agree i had es bushing kit on my 93 civic and that was ******* awesome. I also had tokico competiton kit and strut bars and tie bars but that car could handle hella good. I'm going to do it to the crx also.

DEF

 

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No. I have ES bushing all around, the also make swaybar bushing, i was wondering what was better:

ES SWAYBAR BUSHING + STOCK SWAY BAR OR ST SWAYBAR

I hate to write in caps but I'havent gotten any answer

 

i had stock sway bars on my civic and i was acting like an idiot in the car and it would grip great...the car will handle great without st swaybars.

DEF

 

Now what's so good about the ball joint/tie rod boots? I didn't know you could remove the existing boots. Isn't there a bunch of grease inside of them anyway? Someone please explain...

Vince

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by deftones0817 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i had stock sway bars on my civic and i was acting like an idiot in the car and it would grip great...the car will handle great without st swaybars.

DEF</TD></TR></TABLE>
did u use the ES bushing on the swaybar?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cory man &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just as an FYI Greddy exh(SP) and ST swaybars work well together. No clearance issues at all. BTW the ST swaybar upgrade was a night and day diff from the OEM piece. 240k on the Stock Honda bushings and its a fun ride. I have the ES kit ready to install, just gotta find the time. HTH</TD></TR></TABLE>

There is a clearance issue. I have the same setup. Very noticeable on medium to hard left hand turns. Had to put a slit piece of rubber hose around a part of the bar so i wouldnt hear it hit the exhaust piping. Anyone care to fill me in on the correct way to adjust those adjustable endlinks? I'm pretty sure i got mine set OK but i wanna double check. TIA

 

you will get more handling improvement with the ST rear bar.

-spenc

 

I had no fitment probs at all with my Greddy Sp and the ST bar. It doesnt rub or make noise even on hard turns. I set mine on neutral(middle) and I was told, although I dont know that its true, you should adjust the bar so that the ends(part of the bar that attaches to the endlinks) should be parallel to the ground. Like I said Im not sure if this is true but the car has exceptional handling now w/ the ST bar. my .02.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cory man &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was told, although I dont know that its true, you should adjust the bar so that the ends(part of the bar that attaches to the endlinks) should be parallel to the ground. Like I said Im not sure if this is true but the car has exceptional handling now w/ the ST bar. my .02.</TD></TR></TABLE>

that is correct. you also should adjust the bar to rest in that posittion with the car on the ground.

-spenc

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lo-Buck EF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you will get more handling improvement with the ST rear bar.

-spenc</TD></TR></TABLE>

Enough to justify the 270 + 40 bucks in your opion? (the 40 is for the 88 civics and crx adaptor kit)

 

BTW, anyone know where to get an ST rear sway bar?? I've checked a couple of places and they all say they're backordered for 3 weeks. I need it sooner than that.

silverCRXTC, don't bother with the ES bushings for the rear sway, get the bar instead. All my previous cars had rear sways and

 

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Enough to justify the 270 + 40 bucks in your opion? (the 40 is for the 88 civics and crx adaptor kit)</TD></TR></TABLE>
yup.

-spenc