Ok, I just started autocrossing the past month and i got 2 events in before the season closed.

Naturally, now im addicted. Now, I have an AEM CAI. This coming summer I was also going to install a new header, cat, and modify my exhaust slightly.

As far as suspension, everythiong's stock except my rear strut tower bar.

Now, when I competed (in novice) was classed in STS. I thought it was supposed to be CSP? Anyway

For those autox vets, which class would I be put in (or SHOULD i be put in) with the i/h/modded exhaust, rear tower, kumho v700s and wheels that are the same size as my stockers (mazda millennia 15x6) ? CSP correct?

my problem is, over the sumer I'll be home and the SCCA region will be different from the region up here which is Western NY. the standards for classification should be the same right?


[Modified by NBP ITR 01-622, 1:06 AM 10/6/2001]

 

scca should are the same everywhere - that is how they can hold the nationals and divisionals for all regions to compete.

you can still run street touring, but with the kumho's you may be str - if the tires are r hardness in rating - other than that, st and sp are basically the same thing, only people in sts run street tires, instead of competition tires. i would personally stay in sts, or str, since that class is very easy for hondas to win, at least in my region. the person who usually wins in sts here is not hard to beat - i beat him in his own car the first time i went and drove it. sts is a pretty cool class.

 

Not with an ITR.. LSD = no STS/STR.. the exception is viscous type LSD's like Sentra SER's.. nope.. no STS for ITR

 

so i guess that puts me in csp....unless i dont do engine mods...but i really would like to do the bolt ons (i/h/e) and then stay there till my warranty's up and then comes the good stuff heh heh

 

Yes, a Type R with I/H/E is in CSP. SCCA classifications are the same in every region.

-buji

 

What everyone else said. And...you could also run it in Street Modified (SM).

And by the way - welcome to the addiction.


[Modified by krshultz, 9:51 PM 10/5/2001]

 

hehe thanks. icant wait till next summer.
The rear tower bar will not bump me into any other class right?
oh man, im gonna get raped in csp. oh well

 

Technically you can't run the strut tower bar in Stock class. But no one will care unless you get competitive (then folks will care... trust me.).

I make this same suggestion to any newbie with a Type R. LEAVE IT ALONE!!!
It's a great car in Stock form and very competitively classed. You'll get murdered in CSP.
Spend your money on a set of Koni yellows and some good brake pads.
Then concentrate on learning how to drive.

 

ah yes, brake pads. a defniite must. Im looking at endless CCX. any other suggestions? Porterfield rs4's maybe?

Hmm, as much as I'd like to be competitive in CSP, autocross is only a small portion of what I use my car for. So, I don't really care much for winning as much as I just have fun autocrossing, and if I happen to win, then yippee...ya know? I still use the car for daily and the once in a while street race...so, i'll just take the murdering like a man in csp

 

Ok.. So what happens if they move the ITR out of G-stock.. Will our class change from CSP to something else?

 

"ah yes brake pads are a must"

Why??? The stock ITR pads are plenty good for auto-x especailly for a novice. Please listen to the folks on this list that are urging you to leave your car stock. Spend your money on seat time and schools. 95% of autocross is driver skill. Work on the 95% not the 5%!!

Regards,
Alan

 

yes they're fine for my first 2 runs. Then my runs after that SUCK because they're still hot and then my brakes feel like crap. I'm not some jackass 16 year old who just got the car (altho i AM 19 and i did get it 5 months ago)....and That was my 2nd autocross event, but, not to brag, i did manage to win novice my first time out , and take 2nd the 2nd time out....the season is over now So i con't go out anymore so I'm just making plans for next summer...i'm not saying by any means that im a great driver, I still have a lot to learn, but its not like im expecting to drop my times by 15 seconds just by getting new brake pads, ya know? I was just saying that I agree, since i've experienced the brakes getting all mushy on me, i agreed that high op temp pads would be nice. and since i'd be put in csp anyway, i wouldnt have to worry about it bumping me out of gs...


[Modified by NBP ITR 01-622, 5:27 PM 10/6/2001]

 

def. just learn to drive better before u start spending money.

 

Only if we hound the SEB to put the ITR into DSP. The ITR in CSP is a joke--has to be one of the least competitive cars in that class assuming fully-prepped to CSP limits.

 

NBP - best rule of thumb is:

DON'T let autoX dictate what you do to your car. If you want to add cams, JDM final gear, wheels, etc... just go for it and run where they assign you. The rules are very **** and I'm running for the fun of it. If I don't win in a competitive class, who cares? I mean, you can check your times to GS to see how much your mods help out, etc. It's all about the raw time...

 

do you guys really think he will get buried in csp? the itr is an integra, right? how can that car lose in csp? unless of course there are some really good drivers in that class. out here in my region, when i took my crx dx (not even the si) in to csp with a header, muffler, strut tower bars, lowering springs and adjustable kyb's, i hammered the class. they weren't even close. and they had all been running csp all year long. the integra has a bigger and more powerful motor, and handles relatively close to the crx when the same things are done to it. how can he lose?

 

Crxplus.. Its very easy.. Especially to those darned miatas...
I'm still learning.. My last autox I came in third in CSP. A miata and a CRX beat me by 1.5 seconds... (My third autox so far)..
http://www.autox4u.com/2001results/9162001philly.htm


[Modified by arren123, 6:19 PM 10/6/2001]

 

why was a miata in csp? they normally run b stock and the crx runs d/e stock. is the miata really the same as the crx in street prepared?

 

The Miata was modified.. With what? I dunno.. From what I could see it had a roll bar, looked lowered, had racing seats and belts, and R compound tires and small wheels.

 

As it's been mentioned anything can be competitive locally. Both the Miata and CRX/Civic are nationally competitive cars in the class. It just just depends on who's "local" for you. For example, VA-region is a pretty tough region to run STS in, because you'll have Richard West, Eric Kriemelmeyer and Eric Carman to contend with who are all very, very fast drivers. I don't think you could ever develop the ITR enough to be quick in CSP, being how much lighter its competition is.

 

NBP ITR 01-622 wrote ...I'm not some jackass 16 year old who just got the car...

Hey, sorry if it that's what I sounded like. Did not mean it that way.

But I've been auto-xing my ITR for 2 full seasons (upwards of 100 events including 4 Pro-Solos, 2 Divisionals and Nationals most with co-drivers) I am still on the stock pads and rotors. Several National Champs have driven the car and all have commented on the strength of the brakes. So my experience is that the stock brakes are fine even for a car that's campaigned very aggressively.

If your experience is different then maybe there is something wrong that should be looked at. Then again maybe you are just overdriving. In auto-x experience really does matter; equipment barely does.

So here's my final advice (feel free to ignore it if it offends):

1) Pads will not move you out of GS.
2) The stock pads really are good for auto-x - a higher heat range pad may actually be worse as it will not get to operating temp often enough during the short auto-x run.
3) An ITR will never be competitive in CSP NATIONALLY (locally is another story). It's too heavy and its stock suspension advantage over other cars is ameliorated by the looser rules in SP.
4) The ONLY class where the ITR is competitve NATIONALLY is GS (soon to be DS) Look at the national results!
5) Seat time is the ONLY thing that will SIGNIFICANTLY improve your times.
6) Whatever you do - HAVE FUN

 

Nope. Not true at all. Local regions are free to use what ever classing system they want to. Most use the classes in the Solo regs as a starting place... but they can create/delete/modify any way they deem fit for their region.

 

they let itr's run in sts in my region and that kinda sucks but Im having fun even though I have yet to win class. So what is supposed to be the car to have in sts? and no I'm not getting a new car very soon.

 

If you glance at Nationals results, the Impreza 2.5RS is a pretty good choice... but Jason Tipple whooped 'em all in a older Honda Civic in SoloII! Woohoo! Wait. I drive a Subaru now, don't I? Doh.

 

4) The ONLY class where the ITR is competitve NATIONALLY is GS (soon to be DS) Look at the national results!


We'll see about that next year. Fauth was only 2 seconds off of the SM winner and I *know* I can find 2 seconds in the DC2-R platform. I'm not claiming to be the driver that Fauth is, but nevertheless no one (not even Mark Allen) has stuck with an R (or done it like I think it should be done) anywhere but GS.