this is more of an opinion i guess, im gonna get a new coilover setup, but i dont need anything crazy, height adjustable definately. but what would be a better setup? the tein basic, which are height but not damp adjustable, or skunk2 coils and kyb agx, which are both. the kyb/skunk2 setup would probably run a lil cheaper. your thoughts?


Modified by N2OHSH1T at 3:05 PM 1/31/2004

 

definately not tein. the flex and below are way overpriced. don't buy into the hype like i did.

 

i have the tein basic damper and think its definitely worth the money. maybe you paid too much.

 

get some quality coilover sleeves(GC is what i'd prefer)and some good shocks(Koni or AGXs).you'll have more adjustability over the Tein Basics,and probably spend less money.this setup will have more potential than 99% of most drivers could use.Tein could slide a spring over a turd and people would buy it.
chris

 

i've heard a custom gc setup mated with some koni yellows will rock a tein basic or tein ss coilover setup any day. I'm running some kyb agx struts with h&r sport springs right now. I will eventually be getting some koni yellows though.

 

Don't get the basics, spend the extra $200 on the SS's. It'll be worth it.

 

yup I would definietly save up a little more and go with the tein ss , over the basics. I've been using the ss for about a year ,and have nothing but good things to say............

 

i heard the ground controls were way too bouncy. thanks for the advice tho.

 

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the bouncyness of any suspension have to do with the shocks ability to dampen the bounce. So basically the bouncy has nothing to do with the ground controls, its the shocks job to controll the spring, and the springs job is to rebound (bounce) from what the road conditions are.


Rob

 

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I agree with that,
but thats only if you GOTTA have the teins.
the damping/adjustability is nice

but even the SS are overpriced,
they dont even let you adjust suspension stroke!
so if your dropped really low you'll botton the **** out, just like any normal coilover system.

Most high priced full coilovers, that are actually worth the money,
will have damping adjustability, ride height adjustability, and stroke adjustability.
(actualy its ride height adjustability at the base of the shock, and preload adjustability at the springperch, but y'kno wut i mean).

You can however, using the SS, leave the brake bracket off the fronts,
and drop them down further into the shock fork, giving some more suspension travel. AND they DO havea shortened shock body! which helps too,
so its not all bad, actually pretty good!

I wouldnt say great,
but on a scale of 1-10, 1being bad, 10being great.. I'd give them a 7.5 to a 8

the other negative part is the springrates,
they're really stiff up front, then soft out back.

but they use the standard 2.5" spring, which are interchangeable with ANY coilovers system or race spring out there. so you could just find whatever damn springrate ya want and go with that.

if there was some way to purchase JUST teh damper, and no spring, i'd do that.
then get some eibach ERS springs,
or even better, support some H/T'ers and buy something from the racing spring swapmeet in the roadracing section https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=553330

 

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as said above-that has nothing to do with the springs.mated with some Konis or AGXs,they will be fine.unless you're riding totally dumped,bottomed out on the stops(which will bounce with ANY setup)or have stock/busted shocks,you shouldn't have any bouncing problems.
my coupe with 450/550 rates on AGXs DOES NOT bounce any.hell,my beater with 400/500 rates on Monroe Sen-A-Tracs that are eight years old doesn't bounce at all.
chris

 

why would they be too bouncy? You can get custom rated springs from them that would be much stiffer than tein ss.

 

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no offense, but thats one of the dumber things i've heard,
NOT calling you dumb, but dont ever take advice from whoever told you that.

bounciness is a result of not having enough damping force to control the spring(thus it bounces).
which would be the fault of the shock, NOT the spring.

you do need a stronger shock if you have a stronger spring,
but still.. you cannot say that gc's "bounce too much"

 

Flex and below aren't worth the money.

KYB/GC or Koni/GC depending on your budget. Custom rates if you know what you're doing.

 

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Tein Type Flex is not expensive. I picked mine up for $1000. Height adjustable, adjustable shocks, and adjustable spring compression. They come with Pillowball mounts, plus you can add the Tein EDFC with them later. I give them 2 Thumbs up.

 

what kinda rates for gc/koni for an EG with an LS swap?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eghatchproject &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what kinda rates for gc/koni for an EG with an LS swap?</TD></TR></TABLE>

oooh, maybe 500-550 up front
and 400 rear?

just off the top of my head

 

i read for dragging you would want stiffer spring rates in the rear...

 

Has anybody used the tokico RAk's?? Are they any good, I think their affordable.

 

ill let you know about the tokico's, i just ordered some

 

Ground Control coilover sleeves with custom spring rates for your needs and Koni Sport (yellow) dampers are the best bang for the buck solution there is.

Teins are overpriced and overhyped. Off-the-shelf Koni Sport dampers are actually better than all but the highest model Tein dampers, which cost a fortune anyway. Tein's dampers also have a very narrow range of adjustment, despite having a million different settings within that adjustment range.

You can have Konis shortened if you are low enough to need a different stroke, and you can have them revalved if you need to run spring rates greater than 600lb-in (which I'm sure you won't be). Even with this modification, a GC/Koni setup would still be cheaper than a comparable Tein.

Don't buy into the hype.

 

I agree with Targa agian. I've ridden in cars/driven cars with the Tein SS setup and cars with a Skunk2/Illumina setup, and the Tien SS just cost more. If all you are doing is daily driving leave what you have on there alone.

EDIT: I helped put in a Tien SS setup a while back and thought it was amusing that each shock assembly has a tag on it saying not to throw it away. Hell, I would'nt throw away a 300 dollar assembly for the world!


Modified by Ricey McRicerton at 11:13 PM 2/2/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eghatchproject &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i read for dragging you would want stiffer spring rates in the rear...</TD></TR></TABLE>

if you get an adjustable shock, that adjusts both the compression stroke, and rebound stroke of the shock.
then you can stiffen the crap out of the rear, and soften up the front, without having to mess with your springrates.
then set it back to normal when later. or dont.
kyb agx's and tokico illuminas can do this.
koni's cant. so I wouldnt recommend konis for dragging.

i'm not sure about teins or other types though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tad &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
kyb agx's and tokico illuminas can do this.
koni's cant. so I wouldnt recommend konis for dragging.
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No, that's not exactly how it goes.

It would be helpful for you to learn how to read a shock dyno so you know what is going on.

http://www.koni-na.com/civicdyno.pdf

Koni Sports have adjustable rebound but compression is not adjustable as they come off the shelf. They can, however, be made into a double adjustable shock.

KYB AGX and Tokico Illumina have a single adjustment that adjust the compression and rebound at the same time.


Modified by Targa250R at 10:59 PM 2/2/2004

 

Yes if you go with Tein...definitely spend the little extra for the SS's...big difference.