hey guys i have a stock b16a and was wondering since gsr cams go for cheap if it would be worth picking these up and if it would make a difference, also what cams would u recommend for my b16a? thanks

 

Use the search function and do some research, there is more debate about cams on this site then you could ever hope to read.

 

yeah i always do some research before i post but i was just wondering if gsr cams in a b16a would make a difference, thanks

 

Nah, i was told that they are about or are the same crap. Except I think the B16 cams have a little more duration than the GSR cams. Get some CTR or 00-01 ITR cams.

 

GSR cams are only like $50 on ebay. they ARE better than 1st gen b16 cams. id get them untill you have money for other cams. im about to buy some since i have 1st gen AUTO cams in my b16

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rewsnaeht &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GSR cams are only like $50 on ebay. they ARE better than 1st gen b16 cams. id get them untill you have money for other cams. im about to buy some since i have 1st gen AUTO cams in my b16 </TD></TR></TABLE>


The USDM GSR cams have the same exact lift and duration as b16a cams. Here is proof.


http://asian_e.tripod.com/Honda_Engine_Specs.htm

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Manuel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gsr cam in b16a make like 2 or 3Whp</TD></TR></TABLE>


How? They are the same exact thing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Manuel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GSR cam's B18C1, in B16A make the Motor litetl more aggerivese

Gen 1 JDM b16A 7,600Rpm it maks No Power</TD></TR></TABLE>


I know you keep saying that, but they have the same specs so the GSR cams shouldn't make any difference in power.

And the b16a does make power past 7600, peak HP is at 7600 but it still makes power.

 

i Dunno, acording to this thread, they are different.
defenetely different than 1st gen b16.measured it myself
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=388612

ALL listed at @ 1mm!
Integra GS-R
Int-230 dur. / 10.6mm lift
Exh-227 dur. / 9.4mm lift

Civic Si '99 Spec
Int-240 dur. / 10.7mm lift
Exh-227 dur. / 9.4mm lift

Integra Type-R Pre '99 Spec
Int-240 dur. / 11.5mm lift
Exh-235 dur. / 10.5mm lift

Civic Type-R And Integra Type-R
Int-243 dur. / 11.5mm lift
Exh-235 dur. / 10.5mm lift

Spoon Sports
Int-256 dur. / 11.5mm lift
Exh-245 dur. / 11.1mm lift

Toda Spec A
Int-250 dur. / 11.6mm lift
Exh-240 dur. / 11.2mm lift

Toda Spec B
Int-255 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-245 dur. / 12.0mm lift

Toda Spec C
Int-255 dur. / 12.5mm lift
Exh-255 dur. / 12.5mm lift

Toda Spec D (Estimated)
Int-265 dur. / 12.9mm lift
Exh-275 dur. / 11.9mm lift

Toda VTEC Killer
Int-265 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-255 dur. / 11.5mm lift

JUN Type 1
Int-265 dur. / 10.9mm lift
Exh-268 dur. / 10.0mm lift

JUN Type 2
Int-267 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-265 dur. / 10.9mm lift

JUN Type 3
Int-265 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-265 dur. / 11.5mm lift

Skunk2 Stage 1
Int-252 dur. / 11.6mm lift
Exh-249 dur. / 10.8mm lift

Skunk2 Stage 2
Int-266 dur. / 12.3mm lift
Exh-262 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Skunk2 Stage 3
Int-270 dur. / 12.8mm lift
Exh-279 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Skunk2 Turbo (specs seem low? I called them, the VTEC now has less overlap, great for turbo )
Int-230 dur. / 9.7mm lift
Exh-225 dur. / 8.9mm lift

Crane Stage 1
Int-243 dur. / 11.6mm lift
Exh-237 dur. / 10.8mm lift

Crane Stage 2
Int-248 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-242 dur. / 11.6mm lift

Crane Stage 3
Int-254 dur. / 12.4mm lift
Exh-248 dur. / 12.0mm lift

Crower 400 (not converted yet)
Int- dur. / 10.7mm lift
Exh- dur. / 9.6mm lift

Crower 401 (not converted yet)
Int- dur. / 11.3mm lift
Exh- dur. / 10.5mm lift

Crower 401T (not converted yet)
Int- dur. / 11.8mm lift
Exh- dur. / 11.3mm lift

Crower 402A
Int-232 dur. / 11.8mm lift
Exh-228 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Crower 402
Int-237 dur. / 11.8mm lift
Exh-228 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Crower 403
Int-246 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-238 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Crower 411T
Int-242 dur. / 11.8mm lift
Exh-238 dur. / 11.3mm lift

Crower 412
Int-260 dur. / 11.8mm lift
Exh-252 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Crower 413
Int-269 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-258 dur. / 11.8mm lift

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mmuller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i Dunno, acording to this thread, they are different.
defenetely different than 1st gen b16.measured it myself
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=388612

ALL listed at @ 1mm!
Integra GS-R
Int-230 dur. / 10.6mm lift
Exh-227 dur. / 9.4mm lift

Civic Si '99 Spec
Int-240 dur. / 10.7mm lift
Exh-227 dur. / 9.4mm lift

Integra Type-R Pre '99 Spec
Int-240 dur. / 11.5mm lift
Exh-235 dur. / 10.5mm lift

Civic Type-R And Integra Type-R
Int-243 dur. / 11.5mm lift
Exh-235 dur. / 10.5mm lift

Spoon Sports
Int-256 dur. / 11.5mm lift
Exh-245 dur. / 11.1mm lift

Toda Spec A
Int-250 dur. / 11.6mm lift
Exh-240 dur. / 11.2mm lift

Toda Spec B
Int-255 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-245 dur. / 12.0mm lift

Toda Spec C
Int-255 dur. / 12.5mm lift
Exh-255 dur. / 12.5mm lift

Toda Spec D (Estimated)
Int-265 dur. / 12.9mm lift
Exh-275 dur. / 11.9mm lift

Toda VTEC Killer
Int-265 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-255 dur. / 11.5mm lift

JUN Type 1
Int-265 dur. / 10.9mm lift
Exh-268 dur. / 10.0mm lift

JUN Type 2
Int-267 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-265 dur. / 10.9mm lift

JUN Type 3
Int-265 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-265 dur. / 11.5mm lift

Skunk2 Stage 1
Int-252 dur. / 11.6mm lift
Exh-249 dur. / 10.8mm lift

Skunk2 Stage 2
Int-266 dur. / 12.3mm lift
Exh-262 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Skunk2 Stage 3
Int-270 dur. / 12.8mm lift
Exh-279 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Skunk2 Turbo (specs seem low? I called them, the VTEC now has less overlap, great for turbo )
Int-230 dur. / 9.7mm lift
Exh-225 dur. / 8.9mm lift

Crane Stage 1
Int-243 dur. / 11.6mm lift
Exh-237 dur. / 10.8mm lift

Crane Stage 2
Int-248 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-242 dur. / 11.6mm lift

Crane Stage 3
Int-254 dur. / 12.4mm lift
Exh-248 dur. / 12.0mm lift

Crower 400 (not converted yet)
Int- dur. / 10.7mm lift
Exh- dur. / 9.6mm lift

Crower 401 (not converted yet)
Int- dur. / 11.3mm lift
Exh- dur. / 10.5mm lift

Crower 401T (not converted yet)
Int- dur. / 11.8mm lift
Exh- dur. / 11.3mm lift

Crower 402A
Int-232 dur. / 11.8mm lift
Exh-228 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Crower 402
Int-237 dur. / 11.8mm lift
Exh-228 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Crower 403
Int-246 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-238 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Crower 411T
Int-242 dur. / 11.8mm lift
Exh-238 dur. / 11.3mm lift

Crower 412
Int-260 dur. / 11.8mm lift
Exh-252 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Crower 413
Int-269 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-258 dur. / 11.8mm lift

</TD></TR></TABLE>


You just proved my point they have the same specs:

b16a - intake lift 10.6 - 230 duration
exhaust 9.4 227 duration


gsr - intake 10.6 230 duration
exhaust 9.4 - 227 duration

 

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You just proved my point they have the same specs:

b16a - intake lift 10.6 - 230 duration
exhaust 9.4 227 duration


gsr - intake 10.6 230 duration
exhaust 9.4 - 227 duration


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i agree that there is a minimal and not noticeable difference, but there is a difference....

Integra GS-R
Int-230 dur. / 10.6mm lift
Exh-227 dur. / 9.4mm lift

Civic Si '99 Spec
Int-240 dur. / 10.7mm lift
Exh-227 dur. / 9.4mm lift


what i posted proves that they are different

 

yah so i think i might just wait to get some type r cams since they can be found for 300 ish, thanks guys for the awsome information

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mmuller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i agree that there is a minimal and not noticeable difference, but there is a difference....

Integra GS-R
Int-230 dur. / 10.6mm lift
Exh-227 dur. / 9.4mm lift

Civic Si '99 Spec
Int-240 dur. / 10.7mm lift
Exh-227 dur. / 9.4mm lift


what i posted proves that they are different</TD></TR></TABLE>


The specs on what you posted are for JDM b16 second gen (170 HP) cams. The first get b16 (160 HP) cams are less aggressive.


intake lift 10.5 duration 230
exhaust 9.8 duration 227

Either way there is no difference between USDM GSR cams and first gen b16 cams.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Manuel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So in a B16A Gen1 motor will make 4Whp and put in some P30 piston and can's pick up 10Whp and bolt onesDam man 160Whp that's It and it a 1.6L ian just get a b18B block and build it wit V-tec Head</TD></TR></TABLE>

WTF are you talking about. jesus!

 

lol

 

R cams are the best and cheapest you will I would do an intake manifold and ecu though cuz he only problem that i had is when i would hit vtec the car would bogg due to the fuel ? and then i got a 00 r ecu and its feels alot better ?

 

be prepared though if you install the cams youll be able to notice a difference but with out everything else it wont work right ? im still running the stock b16 ex manifold (im waiting for the jdm r one to come in) and it feels ok i hear once i get the header it will be a little better though ???

I am thinking of selling them if you are interested let me know

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid honda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


The specs on what you posted are for JDM b16 second gen (170 HP) cams. The first get b16 (160 HP) cams are less aggressive.


intake lift 10.5 duration 230
exhaust 9.8 duration 227

Either way there is no difference between USDM GSR cams and first gen b16 cams.</TD></TR></TABLE>

mmm...NO there is a difference between 1st gen cams and gsr cams....
You sayd it yourself.....if 2nd gen cams are almost the same as gsr and 1st gen are weaker; how can gsr cams be the same as 1st gen b16??

Anyways, they are not the same, i measured them and helms says they are not too...

 

I must say this is one of the most informative cam threads i have ever read.

 

Ummm, GSR's are a little more aggressive. 99 Si cams are the same as SIR-II.

http://www.crower.com/cat/impo...shtml

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mmuller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

mmm...NO there is a difference between 1st gen cams and gsr cams....
You sayd it yourself.....if 2nd gen cams are almost the same as gsr and 1st gen are weaker; how can gsr cams be the same as 1st gen b16??

Anyways, they are not the same, i measured them and helms says they are not too...

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I never said second gen cams are almost the same as GSR cams.


I was just going by what I read in the link I provided, if you measured them yourself than I'm sure you got it right.

Do you have specs on the GSR cams so everyone can see what the difference is between the GSR cams and the first gen b16 cams?

 

i don't think gsr cams in ab16 would do anything

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid honda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


I never said second gen cams are almost the same as GSR cams.


I was just going by what I read in the link I provided, if you measured them yourself than I'm sure you got it right.

Do you have specs on the GSR cams so everyone can see what the difference is between the GSR cams and the first gen b16 cams?


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Well, what i do know that it is worth to swap gsr cams in a b16 if you have 1st gen cams in there.They do make a difference, didn't dyno, but they gave about 1/1.5 more miles at the end of the 1/4

lobe HEIGHTS for:

1st gen b16 cams:
IN:
pri:33.088
mid:36.267
sec:34.967

EX:
pri:32.785
mid:35.720
sec:34.691

gsr cams:
IN:
pri:33.411
mid:36.377
sec:34.547
EX:
pri:33.111
mid:35.720
sec:34.381