Is there a sending unit that has both VSS and speedo Cable. Or what Clusters from US market cars that look and fit like they belong in a '89DX that use a VSS, engine and tranny are in the car and I'll be damned if I take that thig out again gut to change it. So I am stuck with VSS now.

 

I gues I stumped everyone with that one.

 

the only one that bolts in is a jdm si-r cluster. that or u can mod the 94-up integra cluster.

 

no i think he is asking if there are any other clusters that use the cable driven vss right?

Because the jdm and gsr are electronic vss's.


What exactly are you asking.?

 

More info.

What engine/tranny?

 

Ok let me clarify this a little better. I have a SiR clip, therefore a B16A1 with a Cable Y-1 transmission VSS only, no cable drive already in the car a 1989 DX hatch. I have the JDM cluster but as you know its KM only not Miles. I am not yanking that motor to put a cable sending unit in. I will be running a PR3 ecu, which I believe needs a VSS signal anyway. What are my options in this situation that will get me a cluster that will work in my car , be purely electronic drive and have a tach that will read to 9k plus and be in Miles per hour on the speedometer. Speedo drive won't come out with rear mount on motor, rear mount won't come off without pulling motor, I will not pull that motor again just for that, it was a major PITA to get the motor in and all the mounts on. And has anyone heard of a speedo converter that converts pulse count from VSS to those needed to make speedo register in MPH instead of KPH. I just finished getting the motor in since I started this thread.

 

Dude,
Check this:

Put your Cable Speedo cable back in. Attach it to the speedo. Check your ECU pinout. Look at the back of the speedo head. There should be 2 phillips screws under where the speedo cable fits in the speedo. Those are your ecu speedo pickups. That sends the speed info to the ECU so that VTEC will see you are moving at the minimum speed. I forget if I am using my stock one... I want to say use the 90-93 Integra one... The sensor to cable swap is a 20 min job or so, not a big deal. YOU DO NOT NEED TO PULL THE TRANNY. Search around and there are some posts showing how to put the electronic one in, just do the reverse.

I did it in mine. It works.

Speedo options:
CRX/Civic Si: bolts in NO MODS (IF you buy the *88-89*)
keep EVSS: w/mods: JDM SiR, 94-01 GSR


Good Luck,
B

 

well I have a purely electronic ending unit, no provision for cable. And I have a 88-89 cluster, which I belive has no VSS output. Trying to get a VTI B16 unit for a reasonible price. I am sure that has it on the speedo head. But I need to get this running so short term I need to wire the Tranny VSS in for ECU. Was hoping to not have to get behind that motor again before I get my Skunk 2 intake and cams. Someone mentioned a speedo converter in a thread in last month but can't find it again. That would be perfect if someone builds such a device. Long time ago I could have designed one, but been too many years since college.

I have a cluster from a 4 door in mine now, an 88-89 cluster but has crappy tach for B16. I didn't think that had the VSS built into it.

 

Dude,

You are confusing the hell out of me. Try to state more clearly what exactly you have for parts and what outcome you want so I can tell you what course to take....

If the 88-89 cluster does not have a vss output, do a conversion to the 90-91... which you are gonna have to do to run the UK VTI cluster, which btw uses a cable speedo if i recall (i'm at skool, cluster is home)... to convert to 90-91 there is a wiring change and some metal tabs need to be replaced... I can tell you more if you want. Buying the cable speedo cable will be worth it. To take out the EVSS is a 2 min job and putting the cable one in is about the same.

B

 

Sorry for the delay. Heres what I have now. JDM Y-1 transmission with SiR (EF9) B16A1. With VSS on transmission , no provision for cable. Currently mounted in my 89 DX hatch. I have the electronic JDM cluster, (KM only) Want a Cluster that dropps in easily, and isn't going to cost a small fortune. Preffer one with a Tach good for a B16, don't want a big Tach on the window pillar advertizing whats under the hood to lowlifes from a block away.

 

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Whats the problem then.... put the JDM cluster in
Cable not needed for JDM cluster ==&gt; change a few wires and you should be set.
If you dont want JDM ===&gt; 88-89 Si with CABLE DRIVEN SPEED SENSOR OFF A 90-91 INTEGRA

EIther are real easy... gotta go to class...I'll check back later.


B

 

hey how much you want for the jdm cluster? i would like it in my '88.....

 

Ok if you have the JDM cluster it uses an electronic VSS, which you say you have I don't see the problem. Here is a link on how to wire up the JDM cluster. If you want give this a try 99-00 civic Si cluster https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=709958 To installt he electronic VSS wires just follow my instructions listed near th ebottom of my 99-00 civic cluster swap. It is really easy.

-James-

 

I saw the link about the newer Civc Cluster, that does look good. I wasn't as concerned about the wiring, I could handle that but was concerned about getting a Cluster reading in MPH and having the right tach for the motor. I could have popped in my old DX cluster sold the one I have now, and someone had said any honda sending unit will work. Haven't tried to prove that yet, but that would have left me without VSS since I have an 89. I don't want a monster tach on pillar and the older clusters I do have won't work (no VSS).I don't have a junkyard within an hours drive and even then hondas are picked over before they even get dropped. So no trial and error fitting is possible for me, and need to know conclusively if its gonna work before I spend money on parts. I would rather have the VSS driven cluster, it saves me from digging around replacing that sender. I hate doing t his swap already, I know I'm going to love it when its done and working but right now I am miserible. I am still trying to deside about selling the JDM cluster. May need it to get car on road in the short term.

 

your options are:

1. use your old cable speed sensor and get another dx drx cluster

2. buy usdm gsr/ls cluster use your electronic vss, rewire, and buy the 90-91 cluster cover so that the integra cluster fits better

3. just use the electronic vss and the jdm cluster.... WHO THE HELL CARES that its in kM.

btw you can drive your car with out the vss. pretty sure the ecu doesnt run with it being i drove my old b16 rex for about a month with no dash, vss, or cluster

 

The VTi cluster is not an option for you as it uses a cable driven VSS. I think you are unclear in describing your problem because you are referring to the VSS incorrectly. There are two types of VSS sending units, electric and cable. The clusters will accept one or the other. The cable driven speedo's have a sending unit that convert the cable action to an electric signal on the back and sends it to the ECU. The electronic units in stock configuration send the signa to the ECU directly and split off before reaching the ECU and sends a wire to the cluster.

To clarify, you have no other problem than the KM speedo and would like to have a MPH version?

If so, you can do one of the conversions to a newer US cluster, but they do not fit like stock, look at the corners closely. Or stick with what you got, cause there is no MPH speedo that uses and electric VSS for our cars.

 

I made this along time ago (after I did Mike's (jdmDXrex) cluster) and actually I just did it again tonite for Will's Rex, haha... If you are considering it, it's not difficult by any means... The who cluster conversion takes ~2 hours (to do nicely) and CRX-RX, you are right, the sides do get cut but with a heat gun and a little time you can make it look almost perfect... Here's a diagram with a little explanation and a pic of Will's interior (that I just took a few hours ago after I put in his SBC, etc...)

 

I found another alternative last night.

http://www.dragonaero.com/Data...2.PDF

This will make a JDM Electronic VSS driven Cluster read in MPH and Miles. About the price of another cluster. A nice one anyway.

Now to decide what I want to do. While I sort out the wiring on this thing. Cut and welded the shift linkages yesterday, Need to get the alternater in it now, ANd see if I can fix the broken wires from the old harness. Just about have the SiR -DX harness chart written up to see how to repin it to work. Both ways appear to be the same amount of work. Now to figure out have to make the damn 4-1 JDM header I got work without hacks that will give me drivability issues and poor milage. Search is telling me everything BUT what I need to know. Guess I search a lot more tonight.

 

if you wanted i could send you the mechanical sender and a gauge cluster, since you don't have to take the engine out to replace the sender this might work for you.

 

what is the guage cluster out of? I have a few D series transmissions laying around and think that sending unit will fit.

 

out of usdm crx's the senderfor the d an the b are completly different

 

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they are the same my jdm b16 came with an electronic vss so i just used my 88 dx cable vss and it worked fine........

 

done the cable in mine and works fine but you can use the 94up integra or a 99 si cluster they fit nice

 

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but then you need an electronic VSS, which is easy to get

 

yes but then the tach is pegged before I even hit redline. Or I would keep what I have now but then I would have no VSS signal for the ecu. I have the JDM EF9 cluster and hood. along with the rest of the front half the car. That my motor and trans came out of. I don't want a external tach, thieves can see that from a city block away and think this guys has something under the hood.

I want a dash cluster with appropriate tach, like the VTi but damn those cost so much. or can swap in something else that fists and works well. As long as its cost effective. I can do a converter thing that make my JDM EF9 cluster read miles and MPH for $150 so it would have to be comparible or cheaper in price. And that will install like it belongs there. And pegs at 9,500 rpm. Higher than I intend to run.

THe EF9 SiR came with a electronic VSS, not a cable type.