ok i have spend a lot of time researching this topic and im still kinda puzzled about which one is better, and more reliable, the horsepower. i currently have a 98 base 5 speed with aem cold air intake and aem true power pulleys greddy evo exhaust and soon to have tein suspension and a vafc2 and still saving for my forced induction i really want to know which one will be better and reliablity is a major isssue i know its better to build the motor and i plan to but for right now i just want to burn some 240's(with the sr20det swap) and evo's and of course the rustang drivers lol which i already pretty much do that anyway back on topic which one would be better the times are pretty impressive for the jrsc lowest i saw was 13.6 and highest was a 14.1( for the 5 speeds) i mean thats pretty good for 6 psi with basic bolt ons and i havent seen but one time for the greddy turbo kit and that was on 6 psi and was a 14.5 i also heard that the h22a4 cant handle much boost from a turbo on stock internals but the jrsc was much more friendly. and if anyone that has used either has noticed a difference cause i was reading one of the threads of course it was someone with the ss( sport shifter) and they said it wasnt all that impressive out of the box) i need your help cause this is something i plan on getting in a couple of weeks. appreciate any help from the fellow luders

 

You can run a turbo on stock motor if it's been tuned properly. I have a Drag Gen 4 turbo kit i'm sellin. It was fun when I had it on my car. go to my signature and read for details.

I dunno if you can beat a 240 with SR20 swap. They're pretty fast. My cousin rebuilt his SR20 motor with some extra stuff in it. He beat my other couzin with a V6 eclipse in 5 gear while the eclipse down shift to 3rd. That **** was crazy.

 

appreciate the info i donno if thats a very fair comparison the v6 eclipses arent that fast...... but appreciate the feedback and its something i will look into.

 

The JRSC will net you around 205-225 whp and about 180 wtq. The fuel management is dubious and on many ludes runs too lean. The intake temps are insanely high because of the lack of an intercooler, which can cause detonation problems if the kit is running too lean and not enough timing is pulled. Fuel/engine management upgrades are suggested, but the kit alone already costs around $3k.

The Greddy kit with their intercooler will net you around 220-230 whp. It produces over 200 wtq at around 3k rpm! The kit runs VERY rich, and provides no boost/timing retard. On 91 octane I've seen the kit cause detonation problems a 5k rpm, the point at which the stock ecu advances timing for vtec. Some sort of boost/timing device, like an MSD BTM, would be a nice addition to the kit.

Of course, running some sort of standalone, such as Hondata or AEM EMS, would be a drastic improvement for either kit. In the case of the JRSC, 440 or 550 cc injectors would be needed. For the Greddy kit, it has been shown that the 370 cc injectors that come with it are more than adequate.

 

What about the bottom block will it support the boost even at 6 or 7 psi without damaging anything. i bout a apexi vafc last night right before i posted of a friend of mine because my car is running rich as we speak anyway.i think all preludes do . you think that will work or would i be better to go with hondata. also cant i set vtec back on the vafc so it wont cause detonation i mean i think i can pretty much work around the vafc with either . which one will be the best and most reliable bang for the buck i guess the turbo would give the most power but that isnt always the most reliable and what made you to go with the jrsc(sharkcohen)?

 

I think the turbo is always the way to go. If you sometime down the road and you might build up your motor and run some crazy boost. And you never know if you will or not ,because I never thought I would build a motor. Also turbo is just so much easier to find parts for. But at the same time all your bolt ons would go to the garbage with a turbo and still usable with supercharger. The choice is yours.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SHhh__VTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can run a turbo on stock motor if it's been tuned properly. I have a Drag Gen 4 turbo kit i'm sellin. It was fun when I had it on my car. go to my signature and read for details.

I dunno if you can beat a 240 with SR20 swap. They're pretty fast. My cousin rebuilt his SR20 motor with some extra stuff in it. He beat my other couzin with a V6 eclipse in 5 gear while the eclipse down shift to 3rd. That **** was crazy.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Booo for 5th gear pulls

 

Well I'm going turbo. So if you want my JRSC. It's for sale at $1500. Complete. 450cc Mitsu injectors included. 4k miles on it. Made this decision today. I'm going back to NA while I buy all the parts to go big boost'n. ps. Don't use these injectors if you're using Hondata.

 

im intersted in the jrsc get back with me about it also do you have pics of everything??

 

1500 comlete? Is this with everything, How much boost 6lbs?? You take pay pal?

 

This is Complete. Shipped within the U.S. to your door. I don't suggest using the Black box though. Mine didn't work at all on my car. It will Retard the timing just fine, but it screws up the Fuel. I suggest combining with a vafc. - Or hondata if you're smart. you can hook up the box to just adjust timing and leave the fuel alone. I did it. I know how. It's very easy.

 

ok im interested. Now would greddy e manage work? Send me a PM. Thanks

 

i already have the vafc and the money im me back about everything so we can set something up; by the way you have any pics?

 

get back with me....... intersted ...... and waiting

 

Honestly i would go with the turbo 5 speed and if you get this jackson you will not be happy with it due to not really getting alot of power from it.. He is selling the jackson go get a turbo..

 

i mean for the money its good and i plan on adding skunk 2 vtec cams and i dont hear others bitchin about it i mean im still intersted i mean it will be faster than the 15.3 it is now. i think i will get atleast low 14's and when i get the skunk2 cams high to mid 13's i have the money and am intersted like i said before hopefully i can get it by the end of the week and be whipping *** this weekend . add the vafc i bought 2 days ago and get those cams before to long and get it tuned. got it all figured out. but hey there is other people sellin there jrsc too why dont you just find someone else i mean there is plenty up here

 

JDMLude is the Tentative Purchaser at this point unless things Change tomorrow. Or payment is not received.

 

Does skunk2 only make all motor cams for the H22?

 

yes but i believe you can use with a supercharger im not 100% postive about this bout i have asked some honda mechanics and they said they dont see why you wouldnt i donno maybe this is something i need to post about....

 

Using all motor cams with forced induction isn't the best idea. Can somebody verify or rebut this statement? I understand some of the reasoning for turbo cams but don't know for sure if the same applies for superchargers.


Modified by biglew at 6:45 AM 1/28/2004

 

Bad idea on the cams.. Not made for FI.. You wanna go turbo

 

get back with me at ekracer about the purchase details and other info asap appreciate it....

 

What's ekracer? I've IM'd you Four times. Waiting back for response.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2kflamedlude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bad idea on the cams.. Not made for FI.. You wanna go turbo </TD></TR></TABLE>Can anybody who knows more give any technical info? I don't know for sure but turbo cams compensate for the exhaust gases that recirculate to spin the turbine, since this is not the case with a belt driven superchargers I would assume there are some different nuances.

 

Here's a link to view the Kit. I think you have to sign in. It's free. these are the pics. I'm waiting.