Does Rockford Fosgate suck?
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Does Rockford Fosgate suck?
I currently have a Rockford Fosgate bd1000.1 which the birth paper says pushes 1209w rms. I have it running to an IDMAX sub and the bass is just not what I want. I have 2 12" kicker comp VR's and they didn't sound good untill I sold them to my friend who installed them on his cheaper amp. I also had 2 rockford power series subs which were 500rms 1000w peak each and they sounded like crap.
I am starting to think that it is the amp. Oh I do know how to install and it is not my instalation.
I am starting to think that it is the amp. Oh I do know how to install and it is not my instalation.
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Re: Does Rockford Fosgate suck? (SeaQuake)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SeaQuake »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I currently have a Rockford Fosgate bd1000.1 which the birth paper says pushes 1209w rms. I have it running to an IDMAX sub and the bass is just not what I want. I have 2 12" kicker comp VR's and they didn't sound good untill I sold them to my friend who installed them on his cheaper amp. I also had 2 rockford power series subs which were 500rms 1000w peak each and they sounded like crap.
I am starting to think that it is the amp. Oh I do know how to install and it is not my instalation.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There are a lot of factors that could be the root of problems. Let's go through a list of questions:
1. Is your enclosure sealed or ported and what is it's volume?
2. If it's ported, what is the tuning frequency?
3. What head unit, crossover, eq, etc. do you have?
4. What gauge power cable are you using and do you have other amps in the system?
5. What car do you have?
The IDMAX sub should sound decent even with a modest amp in the right enclosure. Having a proper enclosure makes all the difference when it comes to subs. What don't you like about the way it sounds now? "Crap" is not exactly the most descriptive word, LOL. Does it not go "low" enough? Does it lack volume? Does it lack definition?
I am starting to think that it is the amp. Oh I do know how to install and it is not my instalation.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There are a lot of factors that could be the root of problems. Let's go through a list of questions:
1. Is your enclosure sealed or ported and what is it's volume?
2. If it's ported, what is the tuning frequency?
3. What head unit, crossover, eq, etc. do you have?
4. What gauge power cable are you using and do you have other amps in the system?
5. What car do you have?
The IDMAX sub should sound decent even with a modest amp in the right enclosure. Having a proper enclosure makes all the difference when it comes to subs. What don't you like about the way it sounds now? "Crap" is not exactly the most descriptive word, LOL. Does it not go "low" enough? Does it lack volume? Does it lack definition?
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Re: Does Rockford Fosgate suck? (HondaDriver4Life)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaDriver4Life »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
There are a lot of factors that could be the root of problems. Let's go through a list of questions:
1. Is your enclosure sealed or ported and what is it's volume?
2. If it's ported, what is the tuning frequency?
3. What head unit, crossover, eq, etc. do you have?
4. What gauge power cable are you using and do you have other amps in the system?
5. What car do you have?
The IDMAX sub should sound decent even with a modest amp in the right enclosure. Having a proper enclosure makes all the difference when it comes to subs. What don't you like about the way it sounds now? "Crap" is not exactly the most descriptive word, LOL. Does it not go "low" enough? Does it lack volume? Does it lack definition?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'll do my best. When I say crap I mean that it is mediocre quality it makes the sub click, like the sub is moving too far. I know that is no good for the sub so I have to keep the volume low(which defeats the purpose of getting the setup).
1. I have a sealed 1.3 liter enclosure
2. N/A
3. I am using a Sony tape deck (XR-C900) with sony 6 disc cd changer (CDX-T65),I'm not running any external crossovers or anything.
4. I am using 4 gauge wires to the Fosgate with some big enough guage sub-woofer wires(not too sure on the gauge). I do have an Alpine 4 channel amp (MRV-F250) bridged to 2 channels running to 2 polk audio components(don't know, but the best that Best Buys carry) which doesn't give chear sounds, just really high highs, noise, and barely no mids.
5.I have a 92 civic hatchback. It has an h22a so it should be more amp than a regular civic.
A problem with the sub is that I know that one screw is broken. I blocked the hole but I am kinda wondering if I that would cause too much of a leak?
There are a lot of factors that could be the root of problems. Let's go through a list of questions:
1. Is your enclosure sealed or ported and what is it's volume?
2. If it's ported, what is the tuning frequency?
3. What head unit, crossover, eq, etc. do you have?
4. What gauge power cable are you using and do you have other amps in the system?
5. What car do you have?
The IDMAX sub should sound decent even with a modest amp in the right enclosure. Having a proper enclosure makes all the difference when it comes to subs. What don't you like about the way it sounds now? "Crap" is not exactly the most descriptive word, LOL. Does it not go "low" enough? Does it lack volume? Does it lack definition?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'll do my best. When I say crap I mean that it is mediocre quality it makes the sub click, like the sub is moving too far. I know that is no good for the sub so I have to keep the volume low(which defeats the purpose of getting the setup).
1. I have a sealed 1.3 liter enclosure
2. N/A
3. I am using a Sony tape deck (XR-C900) with sony 6 disc cd changer (CDX-T65),I'm not running any external crossovers or anything.
4. I am using 4 gauge wires to the Fosgate with some big enough guage sub-woofer wires(not too sure on the gauge). I do have an Alpine 4 channel amp (MRV-F250) bridged to 2 channels running to 2 polk audio components(don't know, but the best that Best Buys carry) which doesn't give chear sounds, just really high highs, noise, and barely no mids.
5.I have a 92 civic hatchback. It has an h22a so it should be more amp than a regular civic.
A problem with the sub is that I know that one screw is broken. I blocked the hole but I am kinda wondering if I that would cause too much of a leak?
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Re: Does Rockford Fosgate suck? (a98tegLS)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by a98tegLS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Alot of people would say that RF started mass producing their stuff back in 2000/2001, and when they did, it all just went to the *******.</TD></TR></TABLE>
RF has been "mass" producing their products way before this. RF approach is moduler design. If you take one of their amps aparts you will find modules. Which aren't really serviceable. They do this for a few reason.
1. It's cheaper to design this way
2. it's more profitable because you can share modules between products.
3. Its easier to repair.
4. ect, ect, ect
The difference now adays is not everyone wants to spend a bunch of money on stereo products. It's not the in thing. So now you get cheaper products.
I would say RF is a good company, they are just responding to what the market wants.
RF has been "mass" producing their products way before this. RF approach is moduler design. If you take one of their amps aparts you will find modules. Which aren't really serviceable. They do this for a few reason.
1. It's cheaper to design this way
2. it's more profitable because you can share modules between products.
3. Its easier to repair.
4. ect, ect, ect
The difference now adays is not everyone wants to spend a bunch of money on stereo products. It's not the in thing. So now you get cheaper products.
I would say RF is a good company, they are just responding to what the market wants.
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Good luck on trying to fit a IDMAX in a 1.3 liter enclosure!!
Hopefully you mean a 1.3 cuft enclosure? While it's smaller then recommended for a 12", that should be fine.
That sub is in no way mediocre, so it has to have something to do with your setup. I would recommend that you start with fixing the screw problem. Then make sure you set the bass, treble, and any bast boost to flat.
Next set the gain on the amp (properly) and then adjust your crossover on the sub amp and on the high amp so that the two blend nicely together.
Work it from that direction...then add you bass, treble, loudness controls.
That amp, while not the best around, certainly is capable of driving that MAX and creating a nice setup with it...
Hopefully you mean a 1.3 cuft enclosure? While it's smaller then recommended for a 12", that should be fine.
That sub is in no way mediocre, so it has to have something to do with your setup. I would recommend that you start with fixing the screw problem. Then make sure you set the bass, treble, and any bast boost to flat.
Next set the gain on the amp (properly) and then adjust your crossover on the sub amp and on the high amp so that the two blend nicely together.
Work it from that direction...then add you bass, treble, loudness controls.
That amp, while not the best around, certainly is capable of driving that MAX and creating a nice setup with it...
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Re: Does Rockford Fosgate suck? (nsxxtreme)
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RF has been "mass" producing their products way before this. RF approach is moduler design. If you take one of their amps aparts you will find modules. Which aren't really serviceable. They do this for a few reason.
1. It's cheaper to design this way
2. it's more profitable because you can share modules between products.
3. Its easier to repair.
4. ect, ect, ect
The difference now adays is not everyone wants to spend a bunch of money on stereo products. It's not the in thing. So now you get cheaper products.
I would say RF is a good company, they are just responding to what the market wants.</TD></TR></TABLE>
From what I understand, RF is going back to their old ways with the new products. Especially teh power series amps. Sounds like they are dropping the Bling Bling, and they are going to make an attempt to return to putting out quality gear.
This is based on their new products released at CES this year...this is more second hand, but one look at the Power Series amps, and you can tell they are making some changes!
RF has been "mass" producing their products way before this. RF approach is moduler design. If you take one of their amps aparts you will find modules. Which aren't really serviceable. They do this for a few reason.
1. It's cheaper to design this way
2. it's more profitable because you can share modules between products.
3. Its easier to repair.
4. ect, ect, ect
The difference now adays is not everyone wants to spend a bunch of money on stereo products. It's not the in thing. So now you get cheaper products.
I would say RF is a good company, they are just responding to what the market wants.</TD></TR></TABLE>
From what I understand, RF is going back to their old ways with the new products. Especially teh power series amps. Sounds like they are dropping the Bling Bling, and they are going to make an attempt to return to putting out quality gear.
This is based on their new products released at CES this year...this is more second hand, but one look at the Power Series amps, and you can tell they are making some changes!
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Re: Does Rockford Fosgate suck? (rcurley55)
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From what I understand, RF is going back to their old ways with the new products. Especially teh power series amps. Sounds like they are dropping the Bling Bling, and they are going to make an attempt to return to putting out quality gear.
This is based on their new products released at CES this year...this is more second hand, but one look at the Power Series amps, and you can tell they are making some changes!</TD></TR></TABLE>
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From what I understand, RF is going back to their old ways with the new products. Especially teh power series amps. Sounds like they are dropping the Bling Bling, and they are going to make an attempt to return to putting out quality gear.
This is based on their new products released at CES this year...this is more second hand, but one look at the Power Series amps, and you can tell they are making some changes!</TD></TR></TABLE>
THANK GOD!!!
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Re: Does Rockford Fosgate suck? (SeaQuake)
They have definitely dropped off substantially in quality and sound, IMHO. The old M and D series were rock solid, but the most recent stuff is blah. Amps that have current draw issues, subs that only play 50 Hz. It will take a lot to get myself back on their bandwagon! As soon as they went bigtime corporate they fell apart, let's home the same doesn't happen to a/d/s/ and Precision!
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Re: Does Rockford Fosgate suck? (MassMayhem)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MassMayhem »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They have definitely dropped off substantially in quality and sound, IMHO. The old M and D series were rock solid, but the most recent stuff is blah. Amps that have current draw issues, subs that only play 50 Hz. It will take a lot to get myself back on their bandwagon! As soon as they went bigtime corporate they fell apart, let's home the same doesn't happen to a/d/s/ and Precision!</TD></TR></TABLE>
I prefered the punch HD line.
I prefered the punch HD line.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rcurley55 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good luck on trying to fit a IDMAX in a 1.3 liter enclosure!!
Hopefully you mean a 1.3 cuft enclosure? While it's smaller then recommended for a 12", that should be fine.
That sub is in no way mediocre, so it has to have something to do with your setup. I would recommend that you start with fixing the screw problem. Then make sure you set the bass, treble, and any bast boost to flat.
Next set the gain on the amp (properly) and then adjust your crossover on the sub amp and on the high amp so that the two blend nicely together.
Work it from that direction...then add you bass, treble, loudness controls.
That amp, while not the best around, certainly is capable of driving that MAX and creating a nice setup with it...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks. I really meant 1.3 cubic feet. I will adjust all of my settings.
Hopefully you mean a 1.3 cuft enclosure? While it's smaller then recommended for a 12", that should be fine.
That sub is in no way mediocre, so it has to have something to do with your setup. I would recommend that you start with fixing the screw problem. Then make sure you set the bass, treble, and any bast boost to flat.
Next set the gain on the amp (properly) and then adjust your crossover on the sub amp and on the high amp so that the two blend nicely together.
Work it from that direction...then add you bass, treble, loudness controls.
That amp, while not the best around, certainly is capable of driving that MAX and creating a nice setup with it...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks. I really meant 1.3 cubic feet. I will adjust all of my settings.
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Re: Does Rockford Fosgate suck? (SeaQuake)
I have 2 12inch RF subs in a sealed box for 4 years now powered by the 500a2, and I get over how much bass they give- I actually have to keep the bass -10dbl to keep whats left of my hearing...
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Nice Punch Amps, which ones are they?
I have the Punch Link connecting my 250m and 50x2 for my brothers car. I cut out the diamond RF Logo into the Punch link though.
Cut out the Diamond shape in the link, cut a piece of aluminum in the same size with the RF R in it, Tig welded it in, smoothed it up and put in some aluminum sheet to close off the sides, also cut the heads off 4 fine thread metric screws and welded them to the underside of the logo in each corner, then repainted the amps and link in Silver to match the Silver on the Audi.
Added in a section of metal grille from a leftover speaker grille painted gloss black, mounted it behind the logo, then trimmed down a Stinger Fan to fit in and used the 4 screws with nuts to secure it in. Once I install it I'll probably hook up some Red LED's to light up when the Amp's Power is on.
Will try to take some pics this weekend.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Nice Punch Amps, which ones are they?
I have the Punch Link connecting my 250m and 50x2 for my brothers car. I cut out the diamond RF Logo into the Punch link though.
Cut out the Diamond shape in the link, cut a piece of aluminum in the same size with the RF R in it, Tig welded it in, smoothed it up and put in some aluminum sheet to close off the sides, also cut the heads off 4 fine thread metric screws and welded them to the underside of the logo in each corner, then repainted the amps and link in Silver to match the Silver on the Audi.
Added in a section of metal grille from a leftover speaker grille painted gloss black, mounted it behind the logo, then trimmed down a Stinger Fan to fit in and used the 4 screws with nuts to secure it in. Once I install it I'll probably hook up some Red LED's to light up when the Amp's Power is on.
Will try to take some pics this weekend.
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Acutually if anyone is local and want to do a trade. I am searching for a 4 channel amp to finish up my collection. Need the same identical shap amps, not the new ones. Prefer a 400x4dsm amp or a 4080dsm, dont need end caps cause their going be linked up. They must looks like these black ones also.
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They are great amps...I was torn between those and the A series from PPI...I have 11 now in my collection, but most have to go!
I have a 4020 and a 60ix, but I'd never sell either
Those are rock solid amps. The 4080's are tough to come by, but they pop up on the bay for a good price. Most people are so dumb that they lose the endcaps...I've never understood that!
I have a 4020 and a 60ix, but I'd never sell either
Those are rock solid amps. The 4080's are tough to come by, but they pop up on the bay for a good price. Most people are so dumb that they lose the endcaps...I've never understood that!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rcurley55 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They are great amps...I was torn between those and the A series from PPI...I have 11 now in my collection, but most have to go!
I have a 4020 and a 60ix, but I'd never sell either Those are rock solid amps. The 4080's are tough to come by, but they pop up on the bay for a good price. Most people are so dumb that they lose the endcaps...I've never understood that!</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are so right on that. I have no understanding on why people lose their end caps. I think only when end caps are missing it's probably stolen or something. If I was to buy a fosgate amp new, shiet..i'd have all the end caps and instructions to it...even the original package it came in. So you said you had 11 of these amps...you are also a collector too huh? Tight..so am i. I had about 15-20 of these amps..but gave them all away to brothers..and sold some. But anyways, which one's are you selling and if you are how much? I really need a 4 channel amp...preferrably a 400x4 or 4080. But let me know if you do decide to sell the 4020 too.
I have a 4020 and a 60ix, but I'd never sell either
Those are rock solid amps. The 4080's are tough to come by, but they pop up on the bay for a good price. Most people are so dumb that they lose the endcaps...I've never understood that!</TD></TR></TABLE>You are so right on that. I have no understanding on why people lose their end caps. I think only when end caps are missing it's probably stolen or something. If I was to buy a fosgate amp new, shiet..i'd have all the end caps and instructions to it...even the original package it came in. So you said you had 11 of these amps...you are also a collector too huh? Tight..so am i. I had about 15-20 of these amps..but gave them all away to brothers..and sold some. But anyways, which one's are you selling and if you are how much? I really need a 4 channel amp...preferrably a 400x4 or 4080. But let me know if you do decide to sell the 4020 too.
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sorry, I think I gave you the wrong impression....I have 11 Art Series amps from PPI.
I'll be selling all my black ones I think (A100.2, Ax400, A600.2) and just one white one (A600.2) My system is using 4 and I have a spare or two just in case.
I'll be selling all my black ones I think (A100.2, Ax400, A600.2) and just one white one (A600.2) My system is using 4 and I have a spare or two just in case.
