First, I would like to thanks Trey and the company for oranizing this 4th event. Second, I would like to thanks all of you guys and gals (both East and West) who already registered and paid for the event. Your action sure show me and others that you care for this ITR community and again, I THANK YOU.

Moving Expo 4 to Eastcoast surely will teach some of the Westcoasters that Eastcoast owners are more serious about the ITR Expo. However, think of what you are doing. You are taking away THE oportunity for OTHER Westcoast owners who are caring and wanting to participate in this Expo 4...

I approached my wife yesterday and said "Honey, give me your final decision because registration end this week." She said "yes". Three months of waiting and constantly reminding has paid off. I was jumping with joy...

Now, if you Eastcoast owners have the heart to take that joy and pride away from me? Go ahead.

 

EC isnt taking anything from the WC. The WC just isnt stepping up to make it so you have the MINIMUM deposit for EXPO. If you guys out there cant get the minimum there arent many other choices. You guys could open it up to other cars besides ITR's, but then its no longer an ITR Expo, and just another H-T meet or HPDE.

 

Well.. recent news is showing that AMP might be closed anyways.. so there may really be no choice but to move it.

Trying to see if this is true.

edit: looks like it might be true. http://www.westvalleyview.com/...11915

 

We understand your argument, but the fact is that you are interested along with a small amount of others. If all those who said they would sign up would go ahead and pay- there wouldn't be a problem. Don't get me wrong.... I love type r caravans, but driving to arizona to see a bunch of guys I could just as easily see here in the east plus a random few others is just senseless. just my .02

 

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I think you got a spelling error, it's spelled Westcoast, not Eastcoast

 

Two words: Majority Rules

Trey has to keep this profitable. Kudos to him for making it happen in the first place.

 

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That's ridiculous. If the ITR Expo 4 is moved to somewhere east of Arizona (and probably not the East Coast), it's because not enough people in the West signed up. Those of you in the West who are looking for someone to blame - should be looking at yourselves, not trying to blame someone else. If enough folks in the West signed up, no one would need to move the event.

Sheesh.

 

Maricopa County =

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's ridiculous. If the ITR Expo 4 is moved to somewhere east of Arizona (and probably not the East Coast), it's because not enough people in the West signed up. Those of you in the West who are looking for someone to blame - should be looking at yourselves, not trying to blame someone else. If enough folks in the West signed up, no one would need to move the event.

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Trying to see if this is true.

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BULLETIN

The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors voted unanimously this morning to revoke the special use permit of Arizona Motorsports Park. Details to come.

WHen was this posted???

 

Granted, I only purchased my R last Summer, and I am not an H-T alumnist but it is not hard to see that you guys had a shot @ having a West coast Expo and you all didn't step up. I read the threads for Expo 3 and a large number of you all bitched and couldn't wait for a West coast Expo to show what you were all about. Bottom line is money talks and bullshit walks. If you guys can't get it together than sorry. Trey needs the money to reserve this track and I don't think anyone wants him to do so out of his own pockets.

If I had the cash and vacation days available I would love to visit the sunny side of the US in Arizona(with a stop in Vegas to see some whoooaas), but I don't, and all I can hope for is an awesome tax return that will allow me to go to Expo 4 on the East Coast.

Sorry guys

Opie

 

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BULLETIN

The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors voted unanimously this morning to revoke the special use permit of Arizona Motorsports Park. Details to come.

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that's news of the morning.

 

http://www.azbusas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4831

 

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BULLETIN

The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors voted unanimously this morning to revoke the special use permit of Arizona Motorsports Park. Details to come.

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Would this be the permit to hold Expo 4?

 

It means the permit to hold anything at the track

Brian

 

Found this:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizo....html

Motorsports park has foes, friends
Dec. 17, 2003 12:00 AM


I've read four letters to the editor recently about how much people should support the Arizona Motorsports Park. These letters variously stated how much of a financial boon it will be for the West Valley and how a little noise shouldn't bother people who already live so close to Luke Air Force Base. I've also noted that the four letter writers live in Scottsdale, Chandler, Phoenix and Glendale. How pithy.

Many have made it an issue of noise. Since I can hear the goings-on of the track every time it's used, I understand the concerns about the track noise, especially from neighbors who live closer than I.

However, the real issue isn't and shouldn't be based upon noise, or how well the Laguna Seca Race Track fits in with the surrounding community in California. The real issue of focus should be that the permit granted to construct the facility was obtained at least partially by AMP's misrepresentation of the track's intended usage, a fact acknowledged by AMP's attorney in the West Valley View. I've also heard that AMP has or will be requesting a modification of the permit to allow overnight stays and a 10-fold increase in crowd sizes.

The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors should revoke AMP's permit and close the facility, if for no other reason than AMP obtained the permit under less-than-truthful conditions. To allow expansion of the facility based upon the logic of "we're already there and it would be a financial hardship not to allow us to recover our investment" would be terribly wrong.

The RICO act allows the federal government to seize all assets that can be shown to be byproducts of illegal behavior (racketeering). While seizing the facility isn't warranted (and probably not legal), revoking AMP's permit is warranted. It would also serve as a warning to developers to tell the truth when applying for permits.

Let's see if the supervisors do the right thing, or if once again they roll over.

Jude Clark
Litchfield Park


I am a resident of Goodyear. I live right behind Millennium High School, roughly one mile away from the Arizona Motorsports Park, as the crow flies.

I have read the complaints of the very vocal minority who seem to want to speak for us all. The park is an excellent use of property that would otherwise go unused due to its proximity to the end of the Luke Air Force base runway.

And it helps to draw much-needed revenue to the west side, both for local business and the local taxing authorities. The people that use that track, because of the nature of their sport, do tend to have extra cash, and they spend it at our restaurants, stores, gas stations, motels, etc.

On occasion, I do hear rumblings of something going on in that general direction. However, my neighbor's lawn mower or weed-eater drowns it out. Any kids playing at the school also drown it out. As do any cars or motorcycles that happen to drive down the street, or for that matter, an air-conditioner kicking on.

The point is that the park generates no more noise than any other activity that is happening every day and certainly less than any jet noise or the local high school marching band. The vocal few can't complain about the school . . . that would be anti-family. They can't complain about the airbase . . . that would be unpatriotic.

The owner of the Arizona Motorsports Park has generously paid for a noise consultant in an attempt to block some of the noise with natural barriers. That shows that he is trying to be a good neighbor. In my opinion, he shouldn't have to go that far, but he has shown that he at least takes the concerns seriously.

I would invite any of the board to sit in my yard on any given day to judge for themselves. There is no noise problem, but there is a problem with a very vocal few that don't have enough to do, trying to speak for the rest of us.

The motorsports park is good for the local business, good for the local cities and good for the people in the local communities.

Terry Embury
Goodyear

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Sounds like the environmentalists are up in arms....

 

This almost seems like how the Washington DC ALMS race lost its permit to race. Not being 100 % honest with the local residents.

Brian

 

The following is just my personal opinion, not pointing fingers or looking to make any enemies.

For, or with respect to, those that say they "don't want to drive all that way to see the same people" ... you're missing the point that part of the EXPO is the adventure of going to a new track and taking in the sights along the way. The fact or possibility that different people will be there is just an added bonus. I personally don't do that many track days every year, but do make it a point to try out a new track when the opportunity arises.

To those that say or feel that the ITR Expo this year is being "taken away", I'd say that's not really true! Sure, it may not be as convenient to have to drive another thousand or two miles, but that's once again part of the adventure aspect of doing one of these events.

Other than the time I drove out to ITR Expo 1, I haven't been out that way since driving to the USGP in downtown Phoenix in something like 90 or 91 (I'll have to go dig up my Gold seat ticket stub). Was nice being able to watch Ayrton drive his McLaren to a commanding victory, but I digress.

I'd like to thank Trey, Dave, et al., as well as Esteban, for trying to make this thing work out in AZ. They've got quite a chore getting this H-T/ITR crowd to agree and subsequently commit to an event.
I guess it's somewhat understandable. The ITR "gang" and the NSX "club" are two completely different animals in a variety of ways. I'm not going to even try and spell out the differences ..., but the NSXPO obviously has a solid base of individuals that can make the necessary arrangements to attend an annual NATIONAL event, whereas it seems that ITR owners have a hard time even agreeing on a place ... much less even seeing it through with enough participants to call it a successful event!

Sure, some will say how can I compare an NSX with a lowly Integra (even if it is an ITR). Well, in a way you're right! It's not completely about the car, it's about the people and the experience of the event.
If the ITR Expo ends up being virtually in "my backyard", then in a way it takes away from the adveture aspect and it might just as well be any other track weekend/NASA HPDE/Tracktime/Car Guys event at a track I already know (so what's the fun in that)?

Anywhoo ... that's just me!
Never said I was the most practical person out there.

 

i have one question... was expo 3 open to other cars beside ITRs? Maybe if it was a open expo and not just for ITR's you may get more applicants. There are many ITR owners in West Coast and many of them do not go on HT or ITRCA so they dont know about expo 4. I personally cannot attend b/c of financial reasons. I have enough money to do the track event but i am restrictied in money and have to put my priorities first. if it moves it moves, but dont take away expo and move it somewhere else for the people in CA who have already paid.

 

Expo 3 was not open to other cars. Remember, it's ITR Expo, not just Expo

Brian

 

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Uhmm.. no offense.. but you might want to read the posts in this and other threads. We HAVE to move it. AMP is CLOSED. Oh, and it's open to ITR's only because it's an ITR Expo. If we wanted a honda-tech expo.. well I'd just go down to sebring for a SAFE motorsports event and see enough hondas.

 

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BULLETIN

The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors voted unanimously this morning to revoke the special use permit of Arizona Motorsports Park. Details to come.

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Here's a theme for ITR Expo 4:

<FONT SIZE="5">FULTON, DON, ANDREW, MAX, AND MARY ROSE SUCK.</FONT>

 

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Uhmm.. no offense.. but you might want to read the posts in this and other threads. We HAVE to move it. AMP is CLOSED. Oh, and it's open to ITR's only because it's an ITR Expo. If we wanted a honda-tech expo.. well I'd just go down to sebring for a SAFE motorsports event and see enough hondas.</TD></TR></TABLE>

woops sorry, i havent read every post about the expo. thanks for the insite

 

Goddamn, I'm tired of this.

Many people have made good points. But why is it that west coasters keep turning this around on us and making themselves the victims?

We have to fill spots. If we can't, we move somewhere where the slots will be filled.

We cant wait till the last week or two for payments.
We cant just go on faith that more west coasters will sign up. So far most haven't even entered into these discussion, what makes anyone think they'll just start paying?
We cant lose money, we have no 'itr expo funds', and no one is going to pay the difference out of pocket. That's just ridiculous.

So...
I don't see what is so hard to understand. We didn't have registration issues with Expo 3 and could have had MORE driver's spots if we somehow could have fit more people on the track.

That isn't the case this time.

Yes, I feel bad for those west coasters who have signed up and paid. No, I would not hesitate to move the expo if it becomes a necessity. Necessity = We can't pay the deposit. Or... we can't pay the remainder of the balance to the track because we don't have enough participants.

And, it's an ITR expo. We didn't have any non R participants last year and would like to keep it that way seeing as it is an R expo, not an H-T meet or H-T Expo. The only reason other cars were allowed for Expo 1 and 2 was because there wasn't enough interest. We've grown out of that problem, now we have another problem - lack of interest from only some regions of the country.

And what's the scoop with AMP?

 

Since AMP is CLOSED, there is no use for me to register anymore. My current schedule doesn't alowwed me to travel east. Have fun Eastcoasters and those who will be making the trek from the Westcoast.