Yo I have a 99 Civic Si.

What would be better, a B16 tranny or GSR tranny?


I know a B16 has better gears but im just looking for the stronger of the 2. I had a B16 tranny and I blew the differerntial up launching at 4k. Is GSR stronger?

 

why would you be launching at 4000 rpm
do you have slicks and a super modded engine
hell pro drivers dont even launch at 4k

i would say stick with b16 and put a type r lsd or a Quaife
and be done with it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dirtyd463 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why would you be launching at 4000 rpm
do you have slicks and a super modded engine
hell pro drivers dont even launch at 4k
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i HAD Falken Azenis dropped to 22 psi, i/h/e, spoon clutch, spoon pressure plate, ACT flywheel, chip, testpipe, CTR cams and valvsprings.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KURRRWA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yo I have a 99 Civic Si.

What would be better, a B16 tranny or GSR tranny?


I know a B16 has better gears but im just looking for the stronger of the 2. I had a B16 tranny and I blew the differerntial up launching at 4k. Is GSR stronger?


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I had a B16 tranny and would launch it on slicks at 7000 RPM.. it was pretty strong..

BUt if i were to choose between the two i would get the GSR tranny..

 

Neither, I'd get an ITR tranny (either one, JDM or USDM). Dual synchros on each gear and LSD from the factory. It's easily the best B series tranny and well worth the money.

But if I had to pick between the two, if it were Hydraulic I'd get a B16 tranny. If it were cable, I'd have to get the GSR tranny.

 

i gotz the 93 gsr cable
i havn't installed yet
if i had the money i would get a type r

 

The 94+ GSR trans has a gap between 1st and 2nd that a B16 would find to be a huge canyon. The spacing after that is better, but I think the overall gearing is too tall, particularly with the mods on that engine. I would second the idea of ITR or B16 with a quaife.

 

I can afford an ITR tranny....

Are taller gears better for a heavily modded motor? Maybe turbo when I get a better job.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KURRRWA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can afford an ITR tranny....

Are taller gears better for a heavily modded motor? Maybe turbo when I get a better job.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Since you can afford an ITR tranny, why aren't you buying one.

There is a lot of debate as to whether taller gears help in a turbocharged engine, I suggest you do some research and decide for yourself. In an all motor application, I'd recommend going with shorter gears.

 

oops, cant

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KURRRWA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yo I have a 99 Civic Si.

What would be better, a B16 tranny or GSR tranny?

I know a B16 has better gears but im just looking for the stronger of the 2. I had a B16 tranny and I blew the differerntial up launching at 4k. Is GSR stronger?
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Sounds like you just had bad luck with your diff.

I suggest sticking with a B16 tranny or a tranny which shares the exact same gear ratio such as ITR or a CTR tranny. Reasonbeing is the gearing of a B16A tranny compliments the powerband of a B16A engine.

92+ B16A/95-97 US+JDM ITR/ & CTR all have the exact same gear ratio specs & final drive and IS better (shorter) gearing than a 94+ GSR tranny. Shorter gearing = better acceleration & better 1/4 times, depending on your engine setup.

 

research all u want but shorter gearing is better for acceleration. period. just take ur b16 trans and buy another differential. get the best that u can afford. if all u can get is a stock replacement, do that, but it def makes sense to get a good lsd while ur in there. btw with a type r lsd in ur trans u would have basically a cheap type r trans. only diff is the differential.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kendall &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Neither, I'd get an ITR tranny (either one, JDM or USDM). Dual synchros on each gear and LSD from the factory. It's easily the best B series tranny and well worth the money.

But if I had to pick between the two, if it were Hydraulic I'd get a B16 tranny. If it were cable, I'd have to get the GSR tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I thought the b16 hydro tranny was exactly the same as the R tranny with the exception of the lsd?

 

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I thought the b16 hydro tranny was exactly the same as the R tranny with the exception of the lsd?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It is, same exact gear ratio & final drive minus the LSD.

 

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It is, same exact gear ratio & final drive minus the LSD.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I thought the B16 had a 4.26 FD?

 

For a low torque motor, shorter gears make it seem like it has more grunt. A 92-93 GSR tranny (Ys1 cable) has even shorter ratios than a B16 tranny. Its insane. But motors with more torque (such as turbo motors) are able to take better advantage of the longer gear ratios.

If buying a 92-93 GSR tranny, beware, LS trannies of the same year are also labled YS1. Its hard to tell the difference.

I would jsut put the guts of a 92-93 GSR tranny in your exsisting hydro tranny. with a ITR LSD. That would be a badass tranny.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by notstock93 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For a low torque motor, shorter gears make it seem like it has more grunt. A 92-93 GSR tranny (Ys1 cable) has even shorter ratios than a B16 tranny. Its insane. But motors with more torque (such as turbo motors) are able to take better advantage of the longer gear ratios.

If buying a 92-93 GSR tranny, beware, LS trannies of the same year are also labled YS1. Its hard to tell the difference.

I would jsut put the guts of a 92-93 GSR tranny in your exsisting hydro tranny. with a ITR LSD. That would be a badass tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>

all true except the part where you mention a YS1 has shorter gears than a B16 tranny. That's actually false, a B17 YS1 tranny has the same exact gearing as a hydro B16 tranny as well.

 

wow, I always thought the GSR 1&2nd were shorter than B16 gears. Ah well, maybe not.

 

ITR/B16
1- 3.230
2- 2.105
3- 1.458
4- 1.107
5- 0.848
final- 4.400
JDM ITR SPEC final drive 4.785


GSR YS1
1- 3.307
2- 2.105
3- 1.459
4- 1.107
5- 0.875
final- 4.400


Maybe this info is wrong.

 

nope that info is correct
it is the info i posted
go to http://autocrossing.com/cgi-bin/gearcalc.cgi
and check for yourself

 

B16 with Quaife LSD!

 

yes they can take more advantage of the longer gears then the n/a motor would be the shorter gears are still faster!

 

i would love to hear some more thoughts on this

I always thought the 92-93 YS1 GSR tranny was shorter then b16/type R

and also that type R had the same syncros as a b16...

 

you are corect in thinking that the gsr ys1 has shorter gearing
and i am almost positive that the type r and b16 are identical minus lsd

 

Yes, I had a thread a while back that proved me wrong on my assumption that ITR trannies had dual syncros. Many, many people beleive they do, but the pictures I saw had no visible differences.

http://www.deepfreezecryo.com can treat your gears and syncros for cheap, make them stronger than hell, too. B17 tranny, cryo treated gears and syncros and a good LSD.....woof.