ok i just bought a 88 civic hatch dx a few months ago for 100$.
here's the tally so far (this is budget)

slightley used 88 dx hatch: 100$
junk (no motor/title) 91 acura integra 100$ (4 wheel disks seats exc..)
91 d16a6 motor tranny ecu 200$
14b (tdo5h) turbo 40k - 50$
hf manny 20$
450 dsm injectors, dsm sidemount, bov- 80$
2.25 intercooler pipes and connectors - 40$
adaptor plate (i made it ) 6$ (metal)
airoquip fittings to get the turbo plumbed 90$
toe to get the car to my house and get the integra to the junk yard 50$
title resistration tax 120$
chip and ecu work 15$ (friend)
gueto guages (oil, boost) 30$
dsm fuel pump 20$
multimeter for a/f - 13$
stock si exhaust free
exhaust cutout from summit 35$
junk shitty ride coilovers free

grand total ----------------------------------------- 999$

wow just under budget

its running and driveing now but i didnt get the dsm pump in yet so im not beating on it yet.

think thats aboyut all i have now what else can i get for it that is cheap and will improve my setup? i wana go fast.

if you wana know how much the turbo setup itself costs:

14b (tdo5h) turbo 40k - 50$
hf manny 20$
450 dsm injectors, dsm sidemount, bov- 80$
2.25 intercooler pipes and connectors - 40$
adaptor plate (i made it ) 6$ (metal)
air equip fittings to get the turbo plumbed 90$
chip and ecu work 15$ (friend)
dsm fuel pump 20$


grand total--------------321$





Modified by spun Vtec at 11:10 PM 1/27/2004

 

Don't worry about the DSM fuel pump, the stock pump at stock pressures will see you to the limits of your turbo without a problem.



I'd either bump the boost up, or throw a little nitrous on it... hint hint http://www.nitrous.info is for you, my friend.

 

wow thats cheap. hope it dont blow up

 

fuel management???

 

90-91 pm6 socketed and chipped with 1 degree retard per pound of boost. (yeah i know its alot but im starting out cautious.)

 

you sure that a dx fuel pump is ok for 450 injectors? i think it would be wise for me to throw a dsm pump in it just to be safe i know for sure that that pump can support those injectors.

 

My 450's kill my dx fuel pump, I almost burned up my motor trying to figure out why I wasnt getting enough gas.

Also an Exhaust should get you a crap load of power. 2.25 mandel bent for 45 dollars installed.

Nick

 

oh yeah i almost forgot i got an si exhaust from a friend for free. my other friend works at a exhaust shop so he helped me make the downpipe and i got a exhaust cutout from summit racing for 35$ shipped so i can run open downpipe.


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Also an Exhaust should get you a crap load of power. 2.25 mandel bent for 45 dollars installed.

Nick</TD></TR></TABLE>

where can you get that?

 

thats really good prices on everything.... Great Job.

 

Every fglow chart for Honda fuel pump places them around 300 whp @ stock pressures before the pump starts to die off.... last I knew, the 97 GSX pump I had (never installed) was only good for "275" from what the DSM boys were telling me.

I'm still running stock HF pump two years down the road.

 

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HAHA .... Its more like, hope YOU don't blow up w/ it....lol

j/k man, thats pretty cheap.... good luck with it

 

how much did you pay for your oil lines. I ended up paying 1017 for my setup which is the greddy one. i tried staying under 1k but o well, lol

 

90$ all airoquip


Modified by spun Vtec at 11:12 PM 1/27/2004

 

putting the fuel pump in today wish me luck

 

GOOD LUCk,

sounds like a nice project. : post pics:

 

&gt;&gt;Every fglow chart for Honda fuel pump places them around 300 whp @ stock pressures before the pump starts to die off.... last I knew, the 97 GSX pump I had (never installed) was only good for "275" from what the DSM boys were telling me.&lt;&lt;

I wonder if there is a restriction issue on some Hondas. I had delivery problems with my DX fuel pump. It just couldn't keep up. A Walbro 255 lph/hp solved the problem.

 

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I'd either bump the boost up, or throw a little nitrous on it... hint hint http://www.nitrous.info is for you, my friend.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've only "been their done that" on two turbo d16's so far and the OEM honda d series pump sucks monkey *****. On the first car we were pinging at 5 psi on a t-20 with the OEM pump. A free DSM pump got rid of the detonation. On my friends crx we threw one in before the turbo. Put the damm pump in that mitsubishi matched with the injectors, how god damm complicated is that?

Thats with the stock regulator too, nothing to bump pressure up, just the extra flow demands of 450cc injectors. Also remember, that Honda FPR's are 1:1, so 6 psi of boost is 6 psi more fuel pressure than base. 10 psi of boost is 10 psi more than base. Most hondas run 43 or so psi base, so with 10 psi boost your immediatley at 53 psi fuel pressure.

If you are running 450 cc injectors at 90% duty cycle times 4 injectors is 1620cc/min fuel. That is 25.6775 gallons/hour.

So basically, the DSM pump just fits the bill. Unfortunatley you have at least a 5 psi pressure drop from the pump to the fuel rail, so you are actually undersized on even a DSM pump. ON a stock D series pump, you totally screwed everywhere.


from http://www.vfaq.com:



Running the stock pump with a turbo is pretty silly. Running Nitrous on top of it is retarded. I guess its easy to give information to people when its not your motor your worrying about.


Modified by danl at 6:36 PM 1/21/2004


Modified by danl at 6:38 PM 1/21/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fsp31 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">&gt;&gt;Every fglow chart for Honda fuel pump places them around 300 whp @ stock pressures before the pump starts to die off.... last I knew, the 97 GSX pump I had (never installed) was only good for "275" from what the DSM boys were telling me.&lt;&lt;

I wonder if there is a restriction issue on some Hondas. I had delivery problems with my DX fuel pump. It just couldn't keep up. A Walbro 255 lph/hp solved the problem. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The B series and D series pumps are different. The B series pumps and stock Turbo DSM pumps are actually cross reffrences with most aftermarket manufacturers. The D series pumps are pretty pathetic, even for a stocker.

But WTF do I know, I drive a DSM right?

 

got the pump installed didnt boost yet but you can bet i will tomorrow.

 

Them DSM guys know best, i learned all i kno from my DSM friends....They are highly respected in my book...couldnt have boosted without them, learn more everyday....but not on here, in the DSM world!

 

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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=741366
there are idiots in every crowd

BTW, great work - I need to start looking around, I want to do the same thing.

 

Yea I agree, My shitty d15b7 fuel pump couldnt keep up with my 450cc injectors at stock pressure. glad I have a wideband otherwise POS stock honda fuel pump could have killed my motor!


I added a walbro 255hp fuel pump and it fixed my fuel problem! I totally recommend a better fuel pump

Nick

 

Your right there are idiots in every crowd....and those videos prove that "tools" and turbo cars have no business being together....that could have been a turbo honda motor easily cause we have plenty of "tools" in our neighborhood....Oh and btw i hope the "idiot" comment was focused at the "challenged kids" in the movie and not me...thanks

BTW glad to see you got yur setup done "spunvtec" me and danl will have to come check it out soon, goodluck with it and happy boooooooooosting!!

~Cherish the moments of your first boost, its a special moment in life~ (tear)

 

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BTW glad to see you got yur setup done "spunvtec" me and danl will have to come check it out soon, goodluck with it and happy boooooooooosting!!

~Cherish the moments of your first boost, its a special moment in life~ (tear) </TD></TR></TABLE>


no prob trav thanks for your help

 

Ive got the fuel pump in but its still a little messed up. When i hit close to full boost (6-7psi) i seem to have a sort of fuel cut. You can hear it and you can deff feel the car start to not pull very hard.
Ive come to the conclusion that its prob that im useing stock plugs and when i put them in i didnt gap them.(stock is like .44) and i think the spark is getting blown out.
Im going a step colder ngk's so when i install them (tomorrow or soon after)ill be sure to set the gap to around .32 i think this should solve the prob.
now i bet if i had an ignition it wouldnt be an issue because a stronger spark would be harder to blow out. would a msd blaster coil also help out? i could pick one up with a dizzy cap if it would help at all.

any input would be appreciated.

-spun