basically, i would like to know in some peoples opinion what would be a more streetable setup into a '99 hatch between an h22 swap and a b20vtec. i am really focusing on torque. i have just acquired a h22 block from a friend that will require some rebuilding as well as an ecu, tranny, etc. Before getting the block (for free), i was aiming to building a b20vtec. What is gonna be my best bet to persue monitarily, as well as factors like overall streetabilty and some racing thrown into the equation? everyones opinions are welcome. im open to any reasonable suggestions. peace.

 

as far as reliability goes, I say H22. damn forgot what I was gonna type(b20vtec wise)

 

any other suggestions, comments, opinions. c'mon guys dont let me start pumpin money into a project if it is not a good idea.

 

well, I have a 2k prelude and its blowing black soot all over the rear of the car. It burns about 2-3 qts between oil changes. Honda says that this is acceptable. It is my understanding that the h22's have a cylinder lining that causes the cylinder walls to wear. I don't think that the H's are as reliable as the B's.

 

h22

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eggie75 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, I have a 2k prelude and its blowing black soot all over the rear of the car. It burns about 2-3 qts between oil changes. Honda says that this is acceptable. It is my understanding that the h22's have a cylinder lining that causes the cylinder walls to wear. I don't think that the H's are as reliable as the B's.</TD></TR></TABLE>

it sounds like something is wrong with ur lude... blown rings or seals somewhere? dunno...

anyways.. i have a 2k lude engine in my 99 civic. not losing a bit of oil or getting any black soot anywhere.

ok.. back to the subject..
u already have an h22 block. i think u've already decided what u want to do. as goes with any engine, it depends on how u take care of it as to how reliable its gonna be...

h22 u'll be glad u did.

 

Go h22 unless you are going to build the **** out of the b20. 12:1 b20 with cams and all and you will ok, otherwise go with the H. If you are going to build it do the h22, 12:1 h22 say with type S head (to make it simplie) Vs. 12:1 b20 with type R head and the H will destroy the B. H22 are notorious for burning A LITTLE oil, not 2-3 quartz, that is just a motor with issues to say the least. a 1/4 to 1/2qrt. at most is pretty common. Now when it comes to building the H22 you will have to sleeve the block due to the FRM lining of the cylinders, if you do not and you run forged pistons you will seize the motor. The B you don't have to sleeve but if you plan on going into a build don't skip sleeves even with the B series. I put my h22 dc2 with MINOR bolt-ons against a friend who had a BUILT b20 12:1 with type R head and bolt-ons in the same car and it was not much of a race. Top-end he pulled harder but not that much and bottom end it was pretty even. H is the way to go in my book, having had the chance to race/drive both. The H is a torque monster to begin with, so you are starting with a solid base!

let me know if you have more questions! Good Luck!

 

i've had both...love the h22....if u are building the b20, then go b20....

 

thank you everyone for the replies. they were all really helpful and have helped me out greatly in making my decision, which will be to build the h22. im now jus waiting on a list from the mechanic that pulled the engine out and hopefully from there i can proceed with the build up. expect to hear from me throughout the process. peace

im still taking any comments or info that anyone can provide on the topic. im open to all suggestions.


Modified by nahledge 7 at 5:28 PM 1/21/2004

 

N/A, Nitrous,boost? What kind of build? I would be happy to help!

 

If you're goin NA, look into a euro-r tranny........John

 

we are deciding between the exact motors your talking about .. we cant figure out wether to go with a turbo'd H22 .. or an all motor b20vtec beast .. b20z block .. high compression to begin with ..its in newer model CRVs .. so less mileage is always good .. people tell me h22 is the way to go .. but I dont know .. im not much of a fan of the h22 .. but i think a b20 with ported si head and the right internals would smoke a h22 ( then again this is the first time we are attempting a b20 build ) .. and I dont know how it would do against a turbo'd h22 ...

 

well, i plan to build it as a n/a setup. turbo would be nice. but after putting the kind of money into fixing the engine, tranny, mounts, harness, etc. i think that it would be pocket friendly to stick to n/a.
what sites sell those euro r trannies. ive been looking for tranny period. they seem a little hard to come by. as far as trannies go i was wandering if there is a jdm version with oem lsd?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nahledge 7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think that it would be pocket friendly to stick to n/a.
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That my friend is what you call an oxymoron. I don't htink there is an all motor h22 on H-T with more than 300whp. I think the highest I've personally seen is about 260 or so and he said he dumped like 10k into it. 300whp is something you could easily do for way less with a turbo.

 

well it would be an oxymoron if i said that i wanted to attain 300whp from a n/a setup, but that i also know would not be pocket friendly. i was speaking in terms of a mild setup such as cams, pistons, and some good tuning. i have far from ruled out a turbo setup, as a matter of fact i would love to turbo it, but after the money i plan to spend on just swapping the motor in, it just wont be in my budget for a long time. i still would like to work on my suspension and so on.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thesqad127 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we are deciding between the exact motors your talking about .. we cant figure out wether to go with a turbo'd H22 .. or an all motor b20vtec beast .. b20z block .. high compression to begin with ..its in newer model CRVs .. so less mileage is always good .. people tell me h22 is the way to go .. but I dont know .. im not much of a fan of the h22 .. but i think a b20 with ported si head and the right internals would smoke a h22 ( then again this is the first time we are attempting a b20 build ) .. and I dont know how it would do against a turbo'd h22 ... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Turbo h22 with just sleeves and pistons vs. your fully b20 vtec would ge eatin' alive my friend. Like I said before (above) I have gone FULLY built b20 HIGH comp. and r head with bolt-ons against my h22 with minor bolt-ons and he did not pull that hard on me at all. Build one asnd find out for yourself, doing is learning!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thesqad127 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> and I dont know how it would do against a turbo'd h22 ... </TD></TR></TABLE> when i hear turbo'd h22... i get all weak in the knees and then i always have stephan's car pop in to my head.... i figure.. the sky is the limit with the h22..

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trial & error/ DIY all =

 

well yea .. yoru right h22ek .. the b20 probally wouldnt last very long against a sleeved h22 turbo

 

though you have made your choice. I still say go with the B20Vtec, because I have seen too many problems with h22's.......

about %80-90 of the prelude/h-series problems.... is 3rd gear mishift.... if you mis 3rd while racing you could easily blow your motor... it's happend to my friend, and it's happen to many other prelude/h-series people... and like someone said earlier it's a oil guzzler... but that's just my $.02

 

how did they blow the motor? did they miss 3rd and ram it into 1st? i dont see how it would blow the motor by missing an up shift to third.

 

I think this dispute could go on for ever...It's everyones opinion

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pete_SI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think this dispute could go on for ever...It's everyones opinion</TD></TR></TABLE>

ya

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GERM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how did they blow the motor? did they miss 3rd and ram it into 1st? i dont see how it would blow the motor by missing an up shift to third.</TD></TR></TABLE>

1st---&gt;2nd----&gt;3rd----&gt;2nd...... is what se-rv-tak meant to say.

12k+rpms 8 bent exhaust valves. i'd say it was fucked up.

this is a noted problem with preludes. aparently the problem lies in the shift linkage.

 

I raced a H22 hatch with black soot on its bumper and I have a b20/GSR and I beat him by 1 car....we were both stock plus intake headers and exhaust.

 

u can now run an h22 with a b series tranny and b series linkages... theres also a couple of people with custom b series type shift linkages