i want to know what final drive the honda guys are running in MOSPORT/SHANNONVILLE. ive been to the casc site, no one is spitting out any info, thanks .

 

Those two tracks are so different from each other...
You will (should) have completely different setups for each, Mosport is abviously going to require a gear for MUCH higher speeds.
Sorry though, I can't answer about Honda ratios, I have never run mine at either track.

 

Give us some more info about the car and engine you have.

I'm running the 4.785 FD in my civic and it has made a big difference in terms of acceleration. I think it makes more of a difference at Mosport than shannonville only because of gear selection...

 

first of all, are you going to be running in the ONTARIO TOURING CAR CHAMPIONSHIP? if youre gonna be running against me, i dont wanna give all my secret info out!! its gonna be the b16, with individual throttle bodies, high compression, were thinking of the neighbourhood of 180-190 whp.

 

Hey my friend ran that last year, KHF guys, they won it.

I have the 4.785 final drive and have run at both tracks. I am running a GSR with itr motor. The FD is great for shannonville, I was passing people that I normally run even with.

Mosport is another story, my car makes 195 hp at the wheels and the final drive only helps in the technical section. I found it hurt my car on the long back straights as 5th gear does not have enough pull. I am usually flying through the gears unitl I hit the top of fourth then shift to 5th where acceleration seems to slow....I reach about 185-195 km/hr on the back straight in 5th gear. My car has full interior so you may be better off. I know my friends with stripped R's and similar power hit over 200 at the end. With the stock FD I could stay in 4th gear and not have to shift. Less shifts for me is usually a smoother and easier drive. The way I do it now, as soon as I am in 5th I need to downshift and break for the turn

AW

 

ive checked out the ATS site and it says with the 4.9 in a b16 i'll be hitting 210 km/h at 8000rpm, and if i am making this motor to spin just about 9000rpm hopefully i wont be maxing out in the back straight in MOSPORT. thanks for replies guys!

 

anyone else??

 

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That is going to be a long time sitting above 8000. Going above 8000 with a built B series for a second or two is one thing, but sitting at 8500 for half the back straight going up that hill is another. Plus, with a good motor, you should be well above 210 on that back straight at Mosport. The 4.9 sounds a LITTLE short. I would think the 4.78 would be a better compromise if you only have the one transmission for Mosport and Shannoville. Some of the more competitive teams will run different boxes for the two tracks.

 

thats not a bad idea with the 4.7 type r final drive, so you really think i'll be over 210km/h going up that straight eh?

 

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What is the Del-Slows minimum weight (you are running a del-slow right?) for the next season in Touring? Anything under 2400 or so and a well built B16 with about 200 WHP should be well over 210kph.

Type-R? The Type R came with a 4.40 here in North America. There are many kits to convert a B series tranny to a 4.7 or so.

 

the type r from japan(jdm) was 4.7. yea its the del sol, with b16, my minimum weight is 2250 with driver, i know i know, its gonna be a bitch ripping off another 150 pounds. we'll see, thanks for the answers, if you dont mind can i keep in touch with you thru email? its good to know someone with answers for these tracks.

 

I'm not sure if i am running Touring GT Next year. I ran it this past year and it was a great series to race in, lots of stiff competition and a cool bunch of guys. Either way, it doesn't matter to me because i doubt i will be competitive due to finances. If not Touring, i may enter just the sprints or maybe that new Michelin Honda series if i can sell my car!

I think with your power to weight, you should be in the 210kph range at Mosport. I'd stick with a 4.785 FD as you may run out of revs with the 4.9, although I'm not sure because i've yet to use it.

Good Luck!

 

thanks alot, i'll probably stick with the 4.7 jdm one.

 

Hey ITSDELSOL or ITRRACER... or anyone else from Toronto who races in Ontario Touring Cars.... you guys willing to help out a New Canadian on getting started on the circuit? I'm just moving to Toronto/Missisauga from New York City. I have a car prepped to SCCA standards but want to adjust to the Canadian rules. I figure the quickest way to get it up to CASC spec and to get my Canadian racing license is to talk to someone who has done it. I am willing to set up a happy hour to chat amongst licensed racers who can help me get up to speed quickly.

 

youre gonna love the ONTARIO TOURING CAR CHAMP., anything goes suspension wise and engine wise, email me, and we'll keep in touch.

 

Hey Steve,

You can email me and i would be happy to answer any of your questions but i think the best thing to do is talk to someone at CASC who can properly lead you in the right direction in terms of capability of SCCA and CASC.

They just put up a new website. http://www.casc.on.ca or call Steven in the office.

Hope this helps and i look forward to seeing you out there!

 

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also - with the shorter final drive, is that going to make 2nd gear less usable?

 

can you elaborate?

 

well, what speed would your second gear run out at with that short of gearing? would wheelspin be an issue?

(I was suspecting higher power levels then that with a fully built motor)

 

well ive had a 175whp honda before that ive tracked, never had wheelspin issues, mind you i had a quaife, and before that i had a phantom grip, with my new set-up in the del sol which will weigh around 2300 pounds with me in it and 180-190 whp i cant see it being a problem(im gonna run the kaaz). plus with the ats final gear second would end up at 8000rpm at 84.98 km/h compared to the 95.2km/h with the stock 4.4. the whole point of going with a shorter final drive is to get into the higher power band of these b16's, the quicker i get out of the previous gear the better, its just that i DO NOT want to run out of speed in 5th in MOSPORT due to the high speed back straight.like some of the guys have been saying, hitting over 200km/h is not out of the question.

 

I plan to drop by for at least one CASC weekend at Mosport this year, since I'm dying to do an event there. I'll be running this car, but with a B16a instead of the D16. I don't plan on being competitive, as the engine will be pretty much stock and I don't have an LSD, just going out for fun and the experience.

 

well thats the whole point civic44, its about having fun, once you become competitive you become annoying to others including loved ones. actually if i would have heard from you like a month ago i had my b16 cable tranny with lsd that i sold for 300 can$.

 

DOH! One thing I've learned though, for every missed opportunity to buy something for the car, another one eventually pops up

 

I think you will run out of gear. I am already close in my GSR with the 4.785. ATS and you will for sure be redlining in 5th. If I had better brakes I could brake later and would definitely be in the 200-210 km/h range. I think at 8000 RPM and 4.9, max speed is 130 Miles or just under 210 km/h. You should be able to hit this speed so I would stay with the 4.785 gears.

 

Here's a comparison...

http://www.a-t-s-usa.com/ats-p...shtml