I just picked up some axxis ultimates from IRP (for a VERY damn good deal I might add...along wiht the best customer service i have ever expierenced) and was wondering if they make a good street/track/twisty's pad?

i know i should have researced some before a purchase...but i had the money in my pay-pal, and couldn't resist the deal.

 

They're an excellent heavy-duty street/autocross pad, albiet with a lot of dust. They're a bit crappy when its cold though.

Not all that great for the track, but they can handle some light HPDE use.

Edit: These are the specs --

Axxis Ultimate
Coefficient of Friction (Mu) : 0.46
Optimal Operating Range : 100F-900F
Critical Fade Temp : 1000F

They're around the level of the Cobalt GT-Sport, though the GT-Sport is a little better.


Modified by Targa250R at 9:23 AM 1/14/2004

 

If you have the stock DX brakes on your car with that ITR swap, they won't even come close to getting the job done on track.

 

Excellent pads for the streeet, though very dusty like stated before. Only had fade one time at Mid-Ohio last April, too.

 

They stop my near-3k lbs. VW just fine on the track. With decent rotors, fluid and airflow around the brake area, they should work well. Pedal feel is not the best, however, even with a good bleed. Still, for a compromise pad, they are pretty good.
-Adam

 

When Rob says track, he means the long-straight kind. Not a roadcourse.

These would basically be heavy-use street pads.

 

anybody try out those carbotech bobcats yet? I wonder if they dust more or less than the Ultimates?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mityVR6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They stop my near-3k lbs. VW just fine on the track. With decent rotors, fluid and airflow around the brake area, they should work well. Pedal feel is not the best, however, even with a good bleed. Still, for a compromise pad, they are pretty good.
-Adam</TD></TR></TABLE>

Very true, I have a VW Jetta and I kept burning my stock rear pads and rotors, then wen to Mintex rears and I thought they sucked evern more. I have been running Axxis Ultimates on the rears now and I run HPDE 4 every month and they are great. I have only upgraded my rotors and I run a heavy duty racing pad on the front just for the track.

They are great street and track pads, from what I have experienced, but yes, they do come with the price of dust.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatch2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anybody try out those carbotech bobcats yet? I wonder if they dust more or less than the Ultimates?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I havent used them but the Subaru guys rant and rave about the bobcats. Most guys like them a lot more than the ultimates. Ill ask about dust when I get the chance

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatch2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anybody try out those carbotech bobcats yet? I wonder if they dust more or less than the Ultimates?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'll let you know in a week.

 

Can some one link the IRP web site. thanks

 

i really liked the ultimates for any street performance condition, if you really need more fade resitance for the track you might as well change them on location b/c you will not be able to drive a pure track pad on the street.

 

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http://www.importrp.com/

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by euclid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> b/c you will not be able to drive a pure track pad on the street.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what is the low-end of the operating temp for a pure track pad?

 

To you VW guys, a buddy of mine has also had the problem of eating through rear pads/rotors quickly, can the brake bias be adjusted to compensate for that, or is the balance sort of optimal with the stock bias?

 

Hawk Black compounds are track pads and I was able to drive them on the street. They wore out in little more than 10 days, dusted like crazy, and permanently stained my wheels (not that I'm complaining)

The operating temp for those pads is 100°F to 900°F

 

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what is the low-end of the operating temp for a pure track pad?</TD></TR></TABLE>

they are all different, but it is generally not close to ambient in the situation of an emergency stop on the highway for instance, they need to be heated up to work well. thats why they are track pads, higher resitance to fade.

 

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I asked this same question. From what I know, the asnwer is no, don't try to mess with the proportion of the front and rear brakes.

I know this is a problem with newer VW's and Audi's. The stock rear pads on them are extremley soft. This was driving me crazy, every time I would run a HPDE event I would come home with metal to metal on my rotors. I played with different brands and the Ultimates have been good to me with some Brembo rotors. I run my car every month for the weekend in HPDE 4 and I only have to change my rear rotors and pads about once every 8 months. I also use the Ultimates on the rear as a daily driver pad too.

He should chance to a performance rear, to be honest the stock front VW pads are actually pretty good and can compete in autocross and minimal HPDE events.

 

They'll be great on the street, and can take an HPDE or two, but they aren't track pads. Didn't fade at Mid-Ohio, but that was my first time out. They also have great life: 2.5 years+ and still not nearing replacement.

I will probably buy another set, but with a dedicated set of track pads/rotors also.

 

They dusted mucho for me, but after leaving the dust on my wheels for a week or so, it wiped right off without leaving any residue. When my instructor brought my car back in after a few laps, they were smokin' so much I thought my car was on fire.

 

from my experience with these pads you have break them in really well, the normal procedures do not work fully. you need to really smoke them once or twice for them to work right without fading.

 

Thanks

 

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apparently the rear pad problem is a design issue and guys are going through OE rear pads in less than 20,000 miles. from what i've read (and it isn't a lot nor is it technically sound mkiv forum @ vortex) the best solution they've found is to use mintex reds or another pad in the rear.

i'm wondering if turning the rotor and getting it a little slimmer might help pad life...

 

rk1951: I'm still running the original rear rotors the car came with after 68,000 miles and nine track events. I find that OE, Mintex and Axxis pads all seem to wear pretty quickly on the rear brakes, but wear like iron in the fronts (with 12.3" Audi TT rotors.)
-Adam

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by euclid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">from my experience with these pads you have break them in really well, the normal procedures do not work fully. you need to really smoke them once or twice for them to work right without fading.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I noticed the same thing. Took a month or two to "even" out.