im just curious as i have not seen to many NSX's used in autox as to there performance or competition ability in autox. does anybody have personal experience with an NSX in autox or can anyone tell me why or why not the NSX would be good for this?


Modified by StreetOne at 7:19 AM 1/14/2004

 

I think NSX(or any car for that matter) can be a good autox car if you set it up right. It is a little more difficult to get the rear end rotated than a front engine/RWD car like corvette, especially in a tight course like autocross. I think if you setup your suspension right, it'll be much easier to swing the rear end and would be more suitable for autocross. I don't do this because when I take it to a track, I like the slight understeer since I'm still a beginner at this.

Oh, that and most of us NSX owners are snobs and don't like to work for hours in smoking heat just to get measily 3-4 runs on 40-50 second course.

 

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A semi answer.

 

It's all about throttle modulation.

If I can AutoX an automagic Supra you can AutoX anything.

 

Two things. (1) very tall first gear. (2) really long body and wheelbase. Not a good auto-Xer unless you have a fast sweeping course.

 

I think the relative difference in gear ratios between 1st and 2nd is a bigger gripe than the tall 1st alone. In fact, I think the first gear ratio is okay. With stock 5-speed gear ratios, 1st will get you to ~45 mph, 2nd to ~80... Obviously not ideal gearing for most autocrosses. JDM short gears would help since 1st gear ratio is left alone, but 2nd gear is shorter. 4.235 R&P might help even more.

I've autocrossed an NSX a few times: Once I shift into 2nd, I usually just leave it there, even if revs drop to 3500 RPMs during parts of the run... Except when there's a very tight (slow) corner... Downshift into 1st not only to put down more torque, but by not match revs it's possible to rotate the rear.

The other thread mentioned no power steering in early models. I agree with nsxtasy, this does not bother me much while autocrossing. However, the slow (compared to most other cars) steering ratio does, at least a little.

Of course, the steering ratio and gear ratios are absolutely perfect at high speeds on a real track.

A stock NSX falls under SCCA A-Stock class. It seems competative against oldies like the C4 and Supra, but not against the new Evolution VIII, WRX STi, and now 2004 S2000.

 

so on the track...you are telling me that an EVO Viii would be a better choice?

 

I think if you want to be competitive then yeah, an Evo is probably the better choice. Heck, I'd even go with the '04 S2K before the NSX as an autoxer.

 

in the right hands any car will be competitive.

but i've seen and gotten rides in a few NSX, one was new autoxer and the other was a seasonsed driver.

of course the seasoned driver was very fast and competitive. however he was a tick slower than a equivalent driver in a E46 M3 (both in AS)

 

the reason i ask is b/c im trying to decide what my next car will be...im trying to decide between an ITR, early model NSX, or an EVO Viii

i want the car to be an awesome daily driver but an awesome weekend warrior as well

ive always loved the NSX as many people have and now that i can afford an earlier model one i just wanted to find out how it performs on the track

so out of the 3, i assume that the better decision would be the EVO?

 

EVO will be the best ouf of the three... You will be very competive in ESP that is if they don't bump it up.

Several people are trying to get it bumped up from ESP.

In AS it's also very competitive.

Of course autoxing a NSX is just pimp

 

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i want the car to be an awesome daily driver but an awesome weekend warrior as well

ive always loved the NSX as many people have and now that i can afford an earlier model one i just wanted to find out how it performs on the track

so out of the 3, i assume that the better decision would be the EVO?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think EVOVIII is a great all around car but I personally prefer the feel of NSX. To me there's nothing that can compare to the engine buzzing right behind your little head.

This is a little offtopicish, but since I started to track my car, my enthusiasm for autocross faded. Back in the 90's I was all into autocross because we used to get like 10-15 runs(including fun runs), and the people involved were a lot cooler and friendlier. Now the autocross gets full way before the actual event, 100+ cars in major areas like DC metro, you get only 3-4 runs at max and the people are not that cool to hang.(For some reason, I got a lot of hate just because I was driving NSX )

 

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Sustained.

Doing DE events and then AX could not have been more anticlimatic for me. I don't know how many times I said, "This is it?" But to each his own. There's more than enough room for the cone dodgers in this world.

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Z06 drivers?

 

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I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

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Sustained.

Doing DE events and then AX could not have been more anticlimatic for me. I don't know how many times I said, "This is it?" But to each his own. There's more than enough room for the cone dodgers in this world.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Indeed.

AutoX'ing is fun but it eats tires like a fat man at Golden Corral all you can eat steak special. For the expense, I'd much rather be on a real road course.

I would say that AutoX'ing is very good for teaching you how to drive lines, proper turn-in, etc. basically the things you should already know before setting foot on a road course.


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Why would you assume that?