Tryin to pick the right LSD!
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Tryin to pick the right LSD!
I want to pick the right type of LSD for RSX-S tranny. some people tell me Spoon is better, others suggest Quafe. who has what in their tranny?
Real testamonials please!!!
Real testamonials please!!!
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If you want to spend under @600 bones then get a JDM DC5R LSD, ASAP, IMHO, LOL
(had to do the whole acronym thing)
If you can spend 1,100 bones or so get the Quaife....Warranty and all...I have a JDM LSD but am awaiting my race header and ITR flywheel before installation.
(had to do the whole acronym thing)
If you can spend 1,100 bones or so get the Quaife....Warranty and all...I have a JDM LSD but am awaiting my race header and ITR flywheel before installation.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GreenBean »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you want to spend under @600 bones then get a JDM DC5R LSD, ASAP, IMHO, LOL
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Where can you get one for that price?
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Where can you get one for that price?
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yeah cool but what is the benefit with going with a mech. diferential? in know clutch type does not last as long but its more $$
i was ready to spend on a Spoon one. i also have the dc5 final drive.
i was ready to spend on a Spoon one. i also have the dc5 final drive.
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Do you realize there is a fundamental difference in design between the LSD's listed above?
Spoon, Kaaz, ATS, Mugen, Cusco... these are all clutch type LSD's. Quaife and the stock Type R LSD are gear type.
In general, clutch type LSD grip harder and are more aggressive. They are usually more expensive also. They have higher maintenance costs as they require different gear oil than what stock uses. Clutch type LSD will eventually wear out also, requiring rebuilds.
Gear type LSD such as Quaife and stock are typically less aggressive. They are a little bit cheaper. They have no extra maintenance cost, you use the same gear oil as you did without the LSD. They do not require rebuild. Quaife even offers lifetime warranty.
Clutch type LSD such as Spoon are superior in performance, but are you willing to accept the added costs? Weigh that against your own budget and needs
Spoon, Kaaz, ATS, Mugen, Cusco... these are all clutch type LSD's. Quaife and the stock Type R LSD are gear type.
In general, clutch type LSD grip harder and are more aggressive. They are usually more expensive also. They have higher maintenance costs as they require different gear oil than what stock uses. Clutch type LSD will eventually wear out also, requiring rebuilds.
Gear type LSD such as Quaife and stock are typically less aggressive. They are a little bit cheaper. They have no extra maintenance cost, you use the same gear oil as you did without the LSD. They do not require rebuild. Quaife even offers lifetime warranty.
Clutch type LSD such as Spoon are superior in performance, but are you willing to accept the added costs? Weigh that against your own budget and needs
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now that was info i was lookin for... thanx
i spoke to some people who explained what i'll face if i got a Spoon or that type of diff. they upped me on maintanence and other specifics. i think i made ma choice with what i'm going with
off topic: **** it is frukin cold, like 2 degrees over here. stay warm NY ep3ers
i spoke to some people who explained what i'll face if i got a Spoon or that type of diff. they upped me on maintanence and other specifics. i think i made ma choice with what i'm going with
off topic: **** it is frukin cold, like 2 degrees over here. stay warm NY ep3ers
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spikey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you realize there is a fundamental difference in design between the LSD's listed above?
Spoon, Kaaz, ATS, Mugen, Cusco... these are all clutch type LSD's. Quaife and the stock Type R LSD are gear type.
In general, clutch type LSD grip harder and are more aggressive. They are usually more expensive also. They have higher maintenance costs as they require different gear oil than what stock uses. Clutch type LSD will eventually wear out also, requiring rebuilds.
Gear type LSD such as Quaife and stock are typically less aggressive. They are a little bit cheaper. They have no extra maintenance cost, you use the same gear oil as you did without the LSD. They do not require rebuild. Quaife even offers lifetime warranty.
Clutch type LSD such as Spoon are superior in performance, but are you willing to accept the added costs? Weigh that against your own budget and needs</TD></TR></TABLE>
This is why I love Honda Tech.
Spoon, Kaaz, ATS, Mugen, Cusco... these are all clutch type LSD's. Quaife and the stock Type R LSD are gear type.
In general, clutch type LSD grip harder and are more aggressive. They are usually more expensive also. They have higher maintenance costs as they require different gear oil than what stock uses. Clutch type LSD will eventually wear out also, requiring rebuilds.
Gear type LSD such as Quaife and stock are typically less aggressive. They are a little bit cheaper. They have no extra maintenance cost, you use the same gear oil as you did without the LSD. They do not require rebuild. Quaife even offers lifetime warranty.
Clutch type LSD such as Spoon are superior in performance, but are you willing to accept the added costs? Weigh that against your own budget and needs</TD></TR></TABLE>
This is why I love Honda Tech.
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Where can you get one for that price?</TD></TR></TABLE>
my buddy's selling it for 560 shipped........
Where can you get one for that price?</TD></TR></TABLE>
my buddy's selling it for 560 shipped........
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my buddy's selling it for 560 shipped........</TD></TR></TABLE>
good deal
my buddy's selling it for 560 shipped........</TD></TR></TABLE>
good deal
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spikey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you realize there is a fundamental difference in design between the LSD's listed above?
Spoon, Kaaz, ATS, Mugen, Cusco... these are all clutch type LSD's. Quaife and the stock Type R LSD are gear type.
In general, clutch type LSD grip harder and are more aggressive. They are usually more expensive also. They have higher maintenance costs as they require different gear oil than what stock uses. Clutch type LSD will eventually wear out also, requiring rebuilds.
Gear type LSD such as Quaife and stock are typically less aggressive. They are a little bit cheaper. They have no extra maintenance cost, you use the same gear oil as you did without the LSD. They do not require rebuild. Quaife even offers lifetime warranty.
Clutch type LSD such as Spoon are superior in performance, but are you willing to accept the added costs? Weigh that against your own budget and needs</TD></TR></TABLE>
i was under the impression that helical or gear type differentials were better than vicious. mainly because it wont wear out, and it starts to tranfer torque even before that tire loses traction somethin the viscous cant do. and I thought helical was more agressive? but thats my argument
http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/tech..._DIFF
"Transferring torque via clutch packs will be a slower process then the Torsen transfer method and it will absorb more energy from the engine when doing so."
thats common sense tho, which would yout hink you react faster? a bunch of clutches or a gear? one that can slip or one that cannot?
Spoon, Kaaz, ATS, Mugen, Cusco... these are all clutch type LSD's. Quaife and the stock Type R LSD are gear type.
In general, clutch type LSD grip harder and are more aggressive. They are usually more expensive also. They have higher maintenance costs as they require different gear oil than what stock uses. Clutch type LSD will eventually wear out also, requiring rebuilds.
Gear type LSD such as Quaife and stock are typically less aggressive. They are a little bit cheaper. They have no extra maintenance cost, you use the same gear oil as you did without the LSD. They do not require rebuild. Quaife even offers lifetime warranty.
Clutch type LSD such as Spoon are superior in performance, but are you willing to accept the added costs? Weigh that against your own budget and needs</TD></TR></TABLE>
i was under the impression that helical or gear type differentials were better than vicious. mainly because it wont wear out, and it starts to tranfer torque even before that tire loses traction somethin the viscous cant do. and I thought helical was more agressive? but thats my argument
http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/tech..._DIFF
"Transferring torque via clutch packs will be a slower process then the Torsen transfer method and it will absorb more energy from the engine when doing so."
thats common sense tho, which would yout hink you react faster? a bunch of clutches or a gear? one that can slip or one that cannot?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rewsnaeht »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i was under the impression that helical or gear type differentials were better than vicious. mainly because it wont wear out, and it starts to tranfer torque even before that tire loses traction somethin the viscous cant do. and I thought helical was more agressive? but thats my argument
http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/tech..._DIFF
"Transferring torque via clutch packs will be a slower process then the Torsen transfer method and it will absorb more energy from the engine when doing so."
thats common sense tho, which would yout hink you react faster? a bunch of clutches or a gear? one that can slip or one that cannot?
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clutch type is NOT a viscious differential. There are three types of limited slip diffs, gear type, clutch type, and viscious.
Gear type uses a set of gears to to transfer torque when the wheels are spinning at different rates.
clutch type uses clutch packs, and the viscious uses a viscious coupling, kind of like what a torque converter in an automatic transmission.
In terms of responsiveness, the clutch type is the most responsive, the gear type is next, and the visious is dead last for obvious reasons.
The clutch type is usually more sensitive than the gaer type as well. When driving with a clutch type, torque steer is a constant issue. the LSD will react to every little change in the pavement fighting to bias torque to the wheel with the most traction. Gear type LSD's are nowhere near as sensitive. Of course, the more expensive clutch type - ATS, os giken, mugen, etc. will be more sensitive than the less expensive clutch types. A good gear type diff such as quaife will come close to the performance of a cheaper clutch type.
But for me, the real difference between the two LSD types is that the clutch type will bias 100% of the torque to one side if a wheel lifts from the ground. A gear type will not. In fact, most gear types cannot transfer 100% of the torque b/c they require both wheels to be loaded in order function. In a true racing application, the fact that the LSD can bias 100% of the torque to one side or the other is real benefit. on the street, it's almost pointless.
gear type if it's a dialy driver sort of car with light track duty, clutch type if you're hardcore track or just want to have the best availible no matter the cost.
the best LSD made IMO is the OS giken. it has the greatest number of clutch packs and you can customize the qualities of the LSD during the rebuild by tweaking the clutch pack arrangement.
i was under the impression that helical or gear type differentials were better than vicious. mainly because it wont wear out, and it starts to tranfer torque even before that tire loses traction somethin the viscous cant do. and I thought helical was more agressive? but thats my argument
http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/tech..._DIFF
"Transferring torque via clutch packs will be a slower process then the Torsen transfer method and it will absorb more energy from the engine when doing so."
thats common sense tho, which would yout hink you react faster? a bunch of clutches or a gear? one that can slip or one that cannot?
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clutch type is NOT a viscious differential. There are three types of limited slip diffs, gear type, clutch type, and viscious.
Gear type uses a set of gears to to transfer torque when the wheels are spinning at different rates.
clutch type uses clutch packs, and the viscious uses a viscious coupling, kind of like what a torque converter in an automatic transmission.
In terms of responsiveness, the clutch type is the most responsive, the gear type is next, and the visious is dead last for obvious reasons.
The clutch type is usually more sensitive than the gaer type as well. When driving with a clutch type, torque steer is a constant issue. the LSD will react to every little change in the pavement fighting to bias torque to the wheel with the most traction. Gear type LSD's are nowhere near as sensitive. Of course, the more expensive clutch type - ATS, os giken, mugen, etc. will be more sensitive than the less expensive clutch types. A good gear type diff such as quaife will come close to the performance of a cheaper clutch type.
But for me, the real difference between the two LSD types is that the clutch type will bias 100% of the torque to one side if a wheel lifts from the ground. A gear type will not. In fact, most gear types cannot transfer 100% of the torque b/c they require both wheels to be loaded in order function. In a true racing application, the fact that the LSD can bias 100% of the torque to one side or the other is real benefit. on the street, it's almost pointless.
gear type if it's a dialy driver sort of car with light track duty, clutch type if you're hardcore track or just want to have the best availible no matter the cost.
the best LSD made IMO is the OS giken. it has the greatest number of clutch packs and you can customize the qualities of the LSD during the rebuild by tweaking the clutch pack arrangement.
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**** i misread him thought he said viscous. i know the difference between the 3. i agree the only disadvantage of torsen is when one wheel goes off the ground your SOL, BUT when does a front wheel come off the ground when cornering? its almost ALWAYS the rear inside wheel. if your front wheel is coming off the ground you have more problems to worry about. if our cars were RWD I would say go with a clutch type definately. it also comes down to prefrence.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rewsnaeht »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">**** i misread him thought he said viscous. i know the difference between the 3. i agree the only disadvantage of torsen is when one wheel goes off the ground your SOL, BUT when does a front wheel come off the ground when cornering? its almost ALWAYS the rear inside wheel. if your front wheel is coming off the ground you have more problems to worry about. if our cars were RWD I would say go with a clutch type definately. it also comes down to prefrence.</TD></TR></TABLE>
well, in hard cornering it's possible to unload the front inside wheel enough to render a torsen diff useless. but you won't see that unless you're using r-compound tires & a crazy suspension setup with very little travel, like they do in racing.
in my steet car, i'd want a gear type. but on a race car, fwd or rwd, it's all about the clutch type. they are just more sensitive and have finer torque biasing abilities.
well, in hard cornering it's possible to unload the front inside wheel enough to render a torsen diff useless. but you won't see that unless you're using r-compound tires & a crazy suspension setup with very little travel, like they do in racing.
in my steet car, i'd want a gear type. but on a race car, fwd or rwd, it's all about the clutch type. they are just more sensitive and have finer torque biasing abilities.
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Re: Tryin to pick the right LSD! (GreenR)
i also heard the clickin n clackin sound goes away after a while... and lsd lube needs to be changed every 2300 (i could be wrong).
but r u happy with that diff?
but r u happy with that diff?
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Re: Tryin to pick the right LSD! (Mr.TecH7)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.TecH7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i also heard the clickin n clackin sound goes away after a while... and lsd lube needs to be changed every 2300 (i could be wrong).
but r u happy with that diff?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The noise may take some time to get used to. Your write about the lube every 3000km so around 2300 miles or so. I'm not sure if the clickin and clankin ever goes away. Quaiffe may be a better way to go, because it requires less maintenance.
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The noise may take some time to get used to. Your write about the lube every 3000km so around 2300 miles or so. I'm not sure if the clickin and clankin ever goes away. Quaiffe may be a better way to go, because it requires less maintenance.
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Re: Tryin to pick the right LSD! (Darryl Musashi)
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