I would like to decrease the bodyroll on my car and am deciding if I should get both a front and rear swaybar upgrade from suspension techniques or if I should just upgrade my rear bar to help reduce understeer.

I am going to be a novice in some local lapping classes and would like to get my car handling as well as possible. I realize generally swaybars are somewhat of a matter of preference, but I am unsure if only upgrading the rear bar will leave the car having an uneven amount of roll.

Thanks

 

If you havent done any track events, leave it stock. If the shocks are blown, get some Konis - will make a huge difference.

 

I have done a few track lapping events, I've already got H&R springs and tokico illuminas. I know how my car handles, I'm quite comfortable with it, however I find the car did roll a lot.

 

in your situation, adding just a rear swaybar won't affect your terminal roll angle much. a front swaybar will flatten the car out much more. getting real spring rates would help as well.

nate

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo-x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">in your situation, adding just a rear swaybar won't affect your terminal roll angle much. a front swaybar will flatten the car out much more. getting real spring rates would help as well.

nate</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well the car is still an occasional street driven car for now, so I'd like to keep the ride somewhat humane. From what you're saying, it seems that it'd probably be best to upgrade both?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teg92 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well the car is still an occasional street driven car for now.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
what's your point? fwiw, stiffer springs may or may not increase ride harshness. bumpstops have an infinitely higher spring rate.

yes, you would probably be best off by upgrading both front and rear swaybars. the ITR is a wonderful donor.

nate

 

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what's your point? fwiw, stiffer springs may or may not increase ride harshness. bumpstops have an infinitely higher spring rate.

yes, you would probably be best off by upgrading both front and rear swaybars. the ITR is a wonderful donor.

nate</TD></TR></TABLE>

92 teg doesn't swap much with the ITR.

And FWIW, a daily driven car (if you want to remain somewhat comfortable) is gonna roll because you need to make compromises.

And I personally don't recommend big swaybars (esp rear) with soft springs. That's an accident waiting to happen.

 

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And I personally don't recommend big swaybars (esp rear) with soft springs. That's an accident waiting to happen.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do you consider going from 14mm -&gt; 19mm "big" and "accident" prone?

 

I ahve the 19 mm bar and it feels good. I'd rather have the 21 mm bar though.

 

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92 teg doesn't swap much with the ITR.
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Actually, I have ITR shocks and springs in my daily driven 90 Integra. They fit no problem and were cheap as hell.

 

For the rears, didn't you have to run ITR control ams, since they are box type so you can mount the shocks?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teg92 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would like to decrease the bodyroll on my car and am deciding if I should get both a front and rear swaybar upgrade from suspension techniques or if I should just upgrade my rear bar to help reduce understeer.

I am going to be a novice in some local lapping classes and would like to get my car handling as well as possible. I realize generally swaybars are somewhat of a matter of preference, but I am unsure if only upgrading the rear bar will leave the car having an uneven amount of roll.

Thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>
Richie give Mart a call.
He has the same car as you and won SOLO this year and also daily drives her

 

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Yes, Along with the front shock forks.

 

How would you mount the 22 mm bar on the stock DA subframe? I plan on upgraded to a Type R 22 or 23mm bar. Will the bar also bolt to the stock control arms and end links?

 

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Well if you were using hte ITR LCA's....... i dont imagine it would be a problem.

http://www.g2ic.net is your friend - search it...

 

Nah, I'm going to be using stock DA LCAs. I don't want to go through another suspension. I've been through 3 different sets of shock and srong set ups. I'm finally happy with my Koni/H&R setup.

 

Ditch the H&R's and get sleeves and real springs

450/600 worked nice, but needed more bar in the rear....

 

I was thinking about going GC with those rates. You know anywhere to get them for a good price?

 

http://www.ground-control.com - order the GC upper mounts too.

 

Cool, now will the ITR rear bar bolt up to my stock LCAs? I heard it can, but want to make sure as well as how to bolt them to my subframe? Thanks

 

check g2ic.com - i dont know .

 

Cool.........just trying to get my suspension set for track time this year. Sucks because it's still a daily driver and there's a crapload of potholes around here.

 

Let me rephrase. You can swap stuff around, but you'll need a little fabrication to make some things work, or things won't retain the same geometry without sourcing other parts to make the R parts work.

For instance, front ITR shock into a DA will require the ITR fork, but this will make the front end sit about 3/4" higher on the same DA spring (and R spring, etc). Rear ITR shocks you'll need the ITR LCA.

That's how most of it is. Not nearly as swappable as a 92-95 Civic, that's for sure.

 

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450/600 worked nice, but needed more bar in the rear.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Wouldn't those spring rates be a little stiff for the street? How about if i went 400/500?

 

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Depends on your what is tolerable to you.