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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 05:04 AM
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Check out the new 2004 FW26 from Williams for the '04 F1 season. Looks radically different. I hope it runs as well as it looks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h...5.stm
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 05:25 AM
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The looks are new and crazy and kind cool but I like the old one better.
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 06:00 AM
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for taking a big step in design.

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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 08:29 AM
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well it certainly looks fugly

Seems as though they are getting a good amount of downforce out of the nose, similar to Protoypes.



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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 08:33 AM
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 08:46 AM
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If its gonna be that ugly it had better be pretty damned fast. Either way Williams kind of has a setback for next year with Montoya leaving. I think its kind of stupid that Ralphie the Whiner gets paid more than Montoya, even though Montoya consistenly and emphatically outperforms him.
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 08:56 AM
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Looks like a catfish. Did Bangle have anything to do with this?

Though if it's fast, who cares about the aesthetics.
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 09:47 AM
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It'll probably work. As williams uses a twin keel tub; therefore, the front "tusks" should be beneficial -- maybe they've finally optimized this tub design. This design looks a lot like some "Top Loading" scoop grates that have been used on the intake of the jet pump of racing watercraft to force more water into the pump area, and it's relativly successful there.
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 10:35 AM
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I dont think its ugly at all. Hopefully the new car will work out for them.
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 11:37 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ponyboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Though if it's fast, who cares about the aesthetics.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree but I initially thought it looked like a snake ready to strike.
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 12:27 PM
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Don't worry, the FIA usually bans anything that looks unusual

I don't think the catfish car looks that bad
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 12:46 PM
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no worries, Ferrari will whoop them once again.
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 01:01 PM
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yeah i dont think lack of "thinking out of the box" has inhibited any progress in F1, just rules and post facto bans on technology.
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 01:44 PM
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so, is ferrari going to make a street car with a nose like that (even though it's a BMW)?


photoshop guys wanna play with some cars?
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 02:18 PM
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You guys notice that they've still got the Senna "S" on the nose? I guess Frank still hurts about that.
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 09:00 PM
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The Senna double S logo has been on every Williams car since his passing. I find the Williams-Senna relationship similar to the way Enzo felt about Gilles.
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Old Jan 7, 2004 | 06:11 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Outrun &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Senna double S logo has been on every Williams car since his passing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Interesting. Now if only I could find the logo you guys are talking about. Hehe.
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Old Jan 7, 2004 | 07:05 AM
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Anyone know what those blue exhaust-ish vents are in front of the winglets?
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Old Jan 7, 2004 | 07:08 AM
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They are chimneys, and I believe they help in evactuating heat from the radiators. I have been known to be wrong once before.....once

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Old Jan 7, 2004 | 08:16 AM
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If only Toyota can make a better body for their F1 cars, they will be # 1 if they do. They have the engine that can out power the ferrari but the body just cant keep up.
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Old Jan 7, 2004 | 01:55 PM
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From http://www.f1-live.com...

Jerez - 07/01/04

1. J.P. Montoya Williams-BMW FW26 1'16"630 51 laps
2. R. Zonta Toyota TF103 1'17"984 72 laps
3. J. Trulli Renault R23 1'18"092 99 laps
4. M. Gene Williams-BMW FW25 1'18"099 41 laps
5. F. Montagny Renault R23 1'18"424 90 laps
6. F. Massa Ferrari F2003-GA 1'19"002 60 laps
7. L. Badoer Ferrari F2003-GA 1'19"207 60 laps
8. O. Panis Toyota TF103 1'19"377 47 laps

Montoya was in the new FW-26, Gene is in an updated to 2004 spec. FW-25. The Ferraris are 2003 models, don't know about updated packages there.

The only thing faster *ever* was the unraced in 2003 McLaren MP4/19 (remember they used updated variants of the MP4/18 all season).

That car has yet to be re-unveiled(!) again for 2004.

I hope Ferrari have plenty of midnight oil to burn, BAR for that matter as well, because I don't think Honda will put up with another shitty season in a sport they once flat-out dominated.

Also, I disagree with the 1 engine per weekend rule. What if something happens in practice? Is that it? I don't think evil Bernie wants to start less than 20 cars in a Grand Prix, but that is a possibility under this new format.

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Old Jan 7, 2004 | 01:58 PM
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Actually they raced MP4/17D. -18 was unraced and -19 is an evolution of -18.
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Old Jan 7, 2004 | 02:32 PM
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for a second it looked like ALANIZ was doin F-1 heads!
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Old Jan 7, 2004 | 05:12 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Outrun &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually they raced MP4/17D. -18 was unraced and -19 is an evolution of -18.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, I'll be. You're right... Man that MP4/19 must be a radical machine.
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Old Jan 7, 2004 | 07:08 PM
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Bah! Too many variables to get a good read on a particular cars competitiveness. Some teams testing tires, some teams testing traction control, some teams testing aero packages, some teams...etc.

Though it wouldn't be bad for the sport if Williams or Honda did well again.

The new Honda engine is supposed to be higher in hp, lighter, and more reliable. Button and Sato seemed to be impressed with the new car so far. Who would've thunk that Honda would produce such a mediocre engine for so long though? They'll get better.
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