This is my all-motor desicion i have to make.. hmmm which would give me easier/cheaper WHEEL horsepower and torque.. think of these having pretty much the same mods.. like cams, springs, retainers, pistons.. etc...
PLEASE HELP ME this engine will be going into either a DA or a 4 door!

 

B18c-B18c1 will prolly be the best bet.

 

There is no replacement for displacement.

 

although a Poormans ITR is GSR block with B16 head and b16 parts are alot cheaper than gsr perf. parts.. .. this is my dilemma i have the displacment in both.. but which would be the stronger engine and which would i have the most gains with!

 

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Aren't b16a and b18c performance parts the same?

b16 head &gt; B18c head. Theoretically you would have a better platform to build off of if you went with the poor man's type ARRRRRRGH!

 

i dont think the performance parts are the same.. because you can put ITR IM on a b16 not a b18c.. and the list goes on.. plus its cheaper to buy perf. parts for a b16 head.. i was asking ppl which would be the stronger motor.. if both modified

 

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Um... actually the list does not go on. The ITR manifold can be drilled and made to fit the b18c head, but why do that when you can get the skunk2 for about the same price, that does the same thing? Or soon the AEBS will be available for the GSR head, which has been shown to make more power than both of those manifolds, and is cheaper!

Internally, the parts for b18c, and b16 are interchangeable. So I am not sure where, or how you are getting cheaper parts for b16 heads.

The strongest of your above choices (in terms of power) would be a b18c with b16 head.

 

my bad.. i didnt know the parts for each gsr and b16 head were interchangable.. but.. my question is.. why do i see more ppl around here and in the many vids ive seen build gsr's... from all the places ive asked ... full gsr swaps are not as cheap as ppl think.. instead of going abit cheaper and doing a poormans ITR... which is as u say a STRONGER motor.. why do u not see them around alot??

 

k20a2

 

None of the above ls vtec. No replacement for displacment. But if i had to choose from above i would pick a GSR.

 

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in a 92 or 93 integra!!?? ahah ok..

 

lol if youre in socal k20eg will do it for you

 

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whats the displacement differences between GSR block and LS block.. they are both 1.8ltr's wouldnt the GSR block be better because its designed to handle VTEC and high RPM's in stock form??

 

ahhaha i'm in Ontario, Canada.. thats alil far dont ya think.. plus k20 is 6000$ just for the engine ahah

 

Gsr isnt quite a 1.8 it is a 1.7 and change. And the gsr has oil squirters and ls doesnt. In a stock form i have reved ls motors just as high as gsr and have lasted the same. The gsr was a better designed block but the fact of the matter is the ls block can work just as well. As far as a budget stand point i would much rather have a ls vtec. But as for this post and the choices above i voted for the GSR.

 

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actually the motor is 3500 as seen in my sig.. full swap plus labor is 6000...

 

in a 93 teg? I havn't seen any cable cars with K20's yet. Anyways I'd go with an LsVtec with GsR head. If you want a PR3 head I'll trade mine for a GsR head....

 

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whats the displacement differences between GSR block and LS block.. they are both 1.8ltr's wouldnt the GSR block be better because its designed to handle VTEC and high RPM's in stock form??</TD></TR></TABLE>

GSR 87mm crank
LS 89mm crank
You were right about the GSR being a little more rpm friendly due to its smaller stroke, But the LS crank is going to make hands down more torque,

GSR block(85mm)
89mm crank
B16A head=2020cc of honda power
Im not sure if this is a "poormans ITR" But im sure it will hand an ITR its ***

 

although there is definate reliability stuff with ls/vtec.. thats why thats outa my range.. i have to do some more research.. but do you guys know if there are any SPECIFIC reasons why poormans ITR is not a good idea or any downfalls this engine has..

 

the most bang for the buck would be the poormans itr setup

 

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i like LS-Vtec's.... should of had that option on the poll

 

i would pick the GSR motor out of all of them i mean personally i think that is the best motor out of the bunch, i mean ehy is a b18c better?

 

thanks for all your replies. i have to do some more research on my choices.. but im talking to my swap shop guys about my choices.. and i'll see what thwy have to say,,

 

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Uh, what?

GSR and B18C are pretty much synonymous.

Unless you were talking about the USDM B18C1 (GS-R), vs the JDM B18C (SiR-G), in which case the JDM B18C is better because it has a higher compression ratio (10.6:1 vs. 10.0.1) and 10 more horsepower (180 vs. 170) stock. All of this, and they typically go for about the same price.