Hello!

I'm the proud owner of a Milano Red 98. ITR with a C6(Euro-spec) engine... And during the winter i'm going to tune it a bit(Sorry for any wrong spellings)...

My plans so far is to get:

- Spoon N1 exhaust with cat.replacment and Spoon 4-2-1 header
- Aem Cai V2 cold air intake
- Hondata S200 with datalogger
- FJO WideBand 02 censor
- Toda Spec. B or Spec. C Cams(Not desided yet)
- Toda Valve springs
- Titanium Retainers
- Apexi Black housing Vafc2(So i can change the Vtec eng. without using a laptop to change the program on the Hondata)

So my question is:

Should i change to RC saturated 310 CC injectors and AEM Fulrail,with pressureregulator? Will that do any good?

Merry christmas!

 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but with those cams specified... you're going to need a little bit of a higher CR to take advantage of them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pretend-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">- Spoon N1 exhaust with cat.replacment and Spoon 4-2-1 header</TD></TR></TABLE>

Loud setup, which might be fine with you. Just commenting in case you didn't know that.

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This doesn't exist. There is an AEM V1 CAI though. Personally i'd suggest the Comptech icebox, the J's racing peen or the mugen intake.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">- Hondata S200 with datalogger
- FJO WideBand 02 censor</TD></TR></TABLE>



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Spec C IMO. Same non-vtec lobes but bigger VTEC lobes. Don't see enough reason not to go with C's.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">- Toda Valve springs
- Titanium Retainers</TD></TR></TABLE>

Just inspect those retainers for wear every 25,000km or so.

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To me, this seems like a waste of money. How often are you going to change the xover? I changed mine once, when I tuned it. That's it.

Also, what compression are you running? stock bottom end? those cams like a bit higher than stock compression.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Should i change to RC saturated 310 CC injectors and AEM Fulrail,with pressureregulator? Will that do any good?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Injectors would be good, at least, I wouldn't try this setup on stock injectors. A good regulator is good. I'm not a big fan of the aem fuel rail but that's just me.

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you too.

-Dave, who makes the above statements as an opinion and not fact. I am far from the best tuner on this board.

 

Couple of suggestions:
#1-forget the VAFC-you don't need it with Hondata. You can change the VTEC point with the set button-no laptop.
#2-you don't need a fuel rail. The stock fuel rail is more than adequate.
#3-to my knowledge, AEM has not made a V2 intake for the ITR.

I hope you have a good Hondata tuner in your area. Good luck.

 

yup, no need for the VAFC or the fuel rail. Hondata can control just about everything and the fuel rail is just pretty. Depending if you are gonna bump compression you might want injectors, 310s should be plenty with the right fuel pressure. If you arent changing compression, stock injectors should be ok with the correct fuel pressure.

 

no need for fuel rail for that hp or vafc.

 

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-Dave, who makes the above statements as an opinion and not fact. I am far from the best tuner on this board.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Aw you're just being humble.

 

Euro R´s have a little more compression (11:1:1)

 

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Aw you're just being humble.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, not really. I know quite a few people in this forum that could tune circles around my ***.

RedR: 11.1:1 still isn't much.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dave-ROR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know quite a few people in this forum that could tune circles around my ***.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, like neuspeed!

 

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Yeah, like neuspeed!

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Well obviously Neuspeed. He IS the lead ECU programmer for Honda R&D, duh!

 

i like NOS......is that NA. haha

 

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I dont think that this is correct......does anyone else think that this is incorrect. I may be wrong as well but i really think i am right!!

 

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I dont think that this is correct......does anyone else think that this is incorrect. I may be wrong as well but i really think i am right!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

As I recall, RedR is correct. Not 100% sure though but since he has a Euro R I'll take his word for it.

 

The reason that i thought this was because i know that the Euro R's are rated at 190 hp. I guess that the the higher the compression doesnt always mean more hp though.

 

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Spec C IMO. Same non-vtec lobes but bigger VTEC lobes. Don't see enough reason not to go with C's.
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one man. I honestly don't think he's got enough compression for such big cams. I think if he wants to run those Toda's he should also look into a set of CTR pistons, or some other aftermarket high compression pistons.

 

as long as your in the 11.1's CR and up you'll be ok with the toda b's, they are right you WILL NEED more compression for the C's. You will not get half of what you should get out of em. Gotta run like 12.5 cr and higher for those.
you wont need the vafc for anything if your gonna have the s200 hondata setup. that will control your vtec and fuel tuning. once the vtec is set, Why change it?
your motor will have a vtec setting like at 7000 grand. The todas will run like *** if you try and set vtec near stock. Get the b's. Thinner headgaket and your set..

 

Yes you recall correctly, our R's here in Europe have 11,1:1 CR, the engine code is B18C6.

I also agree that he needs a higher CR to make the Toda cams a worthwile investment, if not he'll never utilize their full potential.

Nice to see another Norwegian R owner, I assume that's Bergen in Norway as your location?

 

The differens between a Euro R and the JDM R is that in japan they run on 100 oktane fuel,here in europe we use 98 oktane(that's why the jdm has 10 hp more,i think)... I am actually thinking about using airplane fuel(101 oktane) on my car, here in norway the 101 is half the price of 98*host*ripoff*host*...

Use Spec. B cams,forget the fuelrail and VAFC is what your basicly saying?

 

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Yes, basically. Just make sure you don't spare anything when it comes to the actual tuning of the ECU using the Hondata. This will make the biggest impact on performance.

 

Yepp... But there is no one i know of that tunes hondata's here in norway,so i will propably have to do it myself... Run it on a dyno and adjust it as well as i can... Who is "tha" tuner of hondata's in the u.s? So i can send them an e-mail and ask for some pointers...

 

Hit up C_A_T or SGT on this board.

 

e-mail PYR in houston texas

 

Hi.

It is not true. Different between Euro and JDM it is not only fuel.

Most important is exhaust system. Expecialy JDM ITR has real 4-1 manifold and bigger bore pipe .

Euro has very poor exhaust manifold and rest exhaust.
Output from Euro exhaust manifold it is 48mm ( it is 1,9`) and rest exhaust is also 48mm .

Different 10hp, it is exhaust system, not fuel!

thanks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dominic-ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi.

It is not true. Different between Euro and JDM it is not only fuel.

Most important is exhaust system. Expecialy JDM ITR has real 4-1 manifold and bigger bore pipe .

Euro has very poor exhaust manifold and rest exhaust.
Output from Euro exhaust manifold it is 48mm ( it is 1,9`) and rest exhaust is also 48mm .

Different 10hp, it is exhaust system, not fuel!

thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>

indeed!
I'm from holland and i also got the same exhaust system.
When i changed it for a HKS JDM 4-1, test pipe and HKS hi power exhaust system, I got 215.5 HP instead of the standard 193 before i changed it!