As some of you may know, I am trying to sell my 99 Si to be replaced with a 98 ITR. But the more I think about it, the more frustrtated I am becoming w/ a decision: Type R or RSX Type S. So, I need your opinions (and those on the RSX board) to help ease my decision and / or give me pros and cons.

First off the Type R will be stock, and will stay stock for as long as possible. I do plan to take it to HPDE and some autocrosses, so I can learn how to drive the car. But, the Si's replacement will be a daily driver too. And while I am not too worried about theft in my area, it would really suck to find it missing one day. And yes I am a paranoid person when it comes to my car.

As for the RSX-s, the more I see the Mugen front clip on one, the more attractive it becomes. It would be a 2002, used, but still with warranty. But the K-series is a whole other monster to deal with. This car would stay stock, but probably not for very long. Plus for around $18-$20K I have found both cars w/ roughly the same amount of miles; 30K.

Any opinions are welcome; those with seat time in both would be extremely useful.
Thanks,
Ken

 

I saw your thread in the Type R forum. I'd say the ITR if you can keep it safe. But remember, the K20 has HUGE potentials. People won't like me saying this, but the ITR is starting to get a little outdated though. *Getting my flame suit ready* Out-of-the-box enjoyement, i would have to say Type R all the way.

 

Type R

i'm biased.

 

depends on what you want to do with the cars

if you wanna autocross than out the box the itr would probably win hands down...it's been dominating in its class for quite awhile...

in the quarter, the k20 has way more potential than the b18c5...the itr is a great na motor but slap a turbo on the rsx and it comes to life

but for around 20k, i believe msrp on a new rsx is around 23k and i'm sure you could talk it down to near invoice....if not, a used one should be a lot less than 20k esp with 20k miles in a year or two

also, the type s has more of a luxury feel to it and a little bit better feel in the entire powerband...i'd say type s, but i think you could find a better deal

 

type R.

 

Go with the RSX-S. I have had one and three R's. I ran identical times w/ AEM cold air at 14.4. 1 500hp boosted R and still say go with the S. It's much more refined and has all the potential. I have two K-20s Civic's and one is boosted. Trust me, it makes power. R's are unique and well respected but are just about worthless now except to a collector. Check the boards and see how long people have been trying to sell them and how low the prices are.

 

"just about worthless now except to a collector"

So a Stock vs Stock the ITR is worthless?
What other car in its price range (up to 30k) can compare on the track?

Don't you think your statement is kinda harsh?
It just seems like your a hater even tho you have owned a few...

 

Well if the RSX-S had a LSD it would be an easier decision, I wanted to get a 2001 PY-R. The seller backed out, then year later I have an 03 type-s. I love it but would also like to have a stock "R" just for ***** and giggles. Remember the technology in the k20 engine is above the b-series stuff. The K20A2 engine and 6-speed transmission are something like 22lbs lighter and 6 inshed shorter than the B18C5 engine and transmission...If you can swing it get both if not get the RSX.
Just my humble opinion.

 

Well, I certainly can't afford both . But since I am paranoid about theft, I am leaning slightly towards the Type-S. But, tomorrow I might change my mind. I am going today or tomorrow to test drive a Type-S. Right now I have had only a "relaxed" test drive in a 01 R; bad 2nd gear didn't let me fully "test" it.

 

Well due to broke as people with no dignity, owning a type R has become more of a burden then a privilege. The type R is a nice car and it is fun as hell to drive but the down side is you plan on using this car as a daily driver. Owning a R is very dificult due to little thieves who just wait for a moment to take your pride and joy.

I own a type S, and my brother has a type R. So I have driven both and enjoyed both of them. I have experience behind the wheel of both and I would say both are the same.
The R, and S both have thier potentials on and off the track. But the k20 motor is responding much better to minor modifications and the power being produced is amazing. The k20 motor is taking over. The R is getting old but it is a good car for the track as well.

So there are both good and bad about the type R and type S. In the end it is up to you to decide on what you want. I want to get a R as well, but I drive everywhere and I do not want to worry about my car while I go to the mall or down the street.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f1nal zeros &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well due to broke as people with no dignity, owning a type R has become more of a burden then a privilege. The type R is a nice car and it is fun as hell to drive but the down side is you plan on using this car as a daily driver. Owning a R is very dificult due to little thieves who just wait for a moment to take your pride and joy.

I own a type S, and my brother has a type R. So I have driven both and enjoyed both of them. I have experience behind the wheel of both and I would say both are the same.
The R, and S both have thier potentials on and off the track. But the k20 motor is responding much better to minor modifications and the power being produced is amazing. The k20 motor is taking over. The R is getting old but it is a good car for the track as well.

So there are both good and bad about the type R and type S. In the end it is up to you to decide on what you want. I want to get a R as well, but I drive everywhere and I do not want to worry about my car while I go to the mall or down the street. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hate to do this (change the ?) but what brand is the Hood in your avatar? are you happy with the quality? Would you buy it again?

 

itr, unless you want some comfort creatures go for the RSX. I've had both and I would take the ITR anyday, hoping one day the DC5R will come here.

 

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So there are both good and bad about the type R and type S. In the end it is up to you to decide on what you want. I want to get a R as well, but I drive everywhere and I do not want to worry about my car while I go to the mall or down the street. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly the direction I feel myself starting to go; Type S. I love to drive, but I don't need to increase the stress factor anymore. People have already started to question my sanity because I arm my alarm in my garage, I park at the back end of the mall, etc.

I have scheduled a test drive at Acura for Friday morning, and have alerted my friend at Carmax to be on the lookout for a white Type S.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phatboy555 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">depends on what you want to do with the cars

if you wanna autocross than out the box the itr would probably win hands down...it's been dominating in its class for quite awhile...

in the quarter, the k20 has way more potential than the b18c5...the itr is a great na motor but slap a turbo on the rsx and it comes to life

but for around 20k, i believe msrp on a new rsx is around 23k and i'm sure you could talk it down to near invoice....if not, a used one should be a lot less than 20k esp with 20k miles in a year or two

also, the type s has more of a luxury feel to it and a little bit better feel in the entire powerband...i'd say type s, but i think you could find a better deal</TD></TR></TABLE>


ohhhh ....in the quarter mile....we all know how important that is for a honda ...LOL

If you can keep it safe ...get the ITR ....

Get an ITR ....and drop the K20 in it ....

 

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Hate to do this (change the ?) but what brand is the Hood in your avatar? are you happy with the quality? Would you buy it again?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I got it from a company called Jspec. The fit and quality is very good. But I think the business went under. And yes I would buy it again. This is my second hood from them. The first one got cracked when someone hit me.

 

i have a 04 type S...my best fried has a 2000 ITR...and i would have to say hands down i would keep my type S over his ITR... there are too many problems you have to worry about with the itr, like u cant go to the movie's u always have to worry about the car and where its parked, someone always wants to steal some part off it to put into their civic or teggie...i thinkof my type S as a my boys 2000 type R but i have a sun roof, leather and full warranty and i sleep fine at night knowing my car is parked up in the mean streets of the city...

 

As sort of an outsider looking in, I haven't driven either car. However, I have had my Civic stolen from me. It's a horrible feeling; every morning I walk out to my car and just hope to see it still parked where I left it. I don't think I'll ever own anthother pre 2001 Honda. I'll probably sleep better. I can't afford to get out of it now, so I arm it to the hilt with anti-theft devices. It sucks.

With that being said, I'd go with the S just because of the piece-of-mind factor.

Just my dos pesos.

 

Think about this though. Once people fully understand and realize the potential of the K20A2, Type S' will be stolen just as much as the other integras. It's just a matter of time when they figure out how to do so. *Knock on wood* I drive a Type S and i'm dreading that day. The Type R is still the more "hot item ticket" right now, but change has started to crest.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sjracer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Think about this though. Once people fully understand and realize the potential of the K20A2, Type S' will be stolen just as much as the other integras.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not with the new key/ignition coding. After Honda saw Integras and Civics topping the list of stolen vehicles year after year, they stepped up to the plate and decreased the chances of easily stealing the newer Civics, RSXs, etc.. with electronic key coding.

 

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Not with the new key/ignition coding. After Honda saw Integras and Civics topping the list of stolen vehicles year after year, they stepped up to the plate and decreased the chances of easily stealing the newer Civics, RSXs, etc.. with electronic key coding.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You do realize that the 2000 and 2001 Integra's had the same key/chip imobilizer system ....Right?

It can be bypassed......

Thefts for the K20 are going to eventually arise ..its only a matter of time .....

And most likely they will be going right back into more Civics and Integras...

 

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You do realize that the 2000 and 2001 Integra's had the same key/chip imobilizer system ....Right?

It can be bypassed......

Thefts for the K20 are going to eventually arise ..its only a matter of time .....

And most likely they will be going right back into more Civics and Integras... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly. A scary thought if you ask me.

 

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Exactly. A scary thought if you ask me. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah .....theives are getting more bold .....

Key chips or not .......then theres the one with tow trucks .....

Given the number of DC5's on the road .....and the fact the owners have the confindence to park them anywhere ......

The theives are gonna have a field day .....

 

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You do realize that the 2000 and 2001 Integra's had the same key/chip imobilizer system ....Right?
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Nope, didn't know that.

 

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So a Stock vs Stock the ITR is worthless?
What other car in its price range (up to 30k) can compare on the track?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know of one but its not a Honda

Anyways Id go with the R. Ive owned a Type S before and wasnt impressed with it at all.

 

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Ive owned a Type S before and wasnt impressed with it at all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

In what aspect? Handling? Power to weight? Road holding? Acceleration? Top end? Please don't compare it with your EVO, that's not even funny.