no not the electric boat motor crap...

first off i know i'm obviously not the only person to think about this but i forgot the reasons why something like this wouldn't work. Seeing the pictures of the vortech charger in the rex it just looks so easy and possible.

besides expert machining and balancing looks nothing more than an aluminum rod attached to the back of a modified power steering pump with the other end attached to a blower of some sort...you cold obviously get the vortech one but could you use a turbo and just block off the exhaust part?

what else would be needed it seems really simple.

 

i would think the jackson racing one would be the easiest. But then again im not SC expert. But what about making your own manifold out of sheet metal, which isn't that hard to come by. Then on the crankshaft side put a pulley attached to a some sort of fan blade, and well, without thinking too much into it, you would have a much larger vacuum and therefore more air would find its way into the manifold. Though you'd have to find out the CFM of the blade and its RPMs to find out how many extra pounds you're pushing in the engine. Nothing too complicated i'd imagine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dingusjt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no not the electric boat motor crap...

first off i know i'm obviously not the only person to think about this but i forgot the reasons why something like this wouldn't work. Seeing the pictures of the vortech charger in the rex it just looks so easy and possible.

besides expert machining and balancing looks nothing more than an aluminum rod attached to the back of a modified power steering pump with the other end attached to a blower of some sort...you cold obviously get the vortech one but could you use a turbo and just block off the exhaust part?

what else would be needed it seems really simple. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Haven't seen the vortech unit, but I don't think you could get a blocked off turbo to work as the speeds would be too low.

Just as a suggestion you may want to post a link to the Vortech unit your talking about to spur more thought on the matter.

 

yeah i thought about the "roots" style JRSC type but i think it would be one hell of a lot more expensive..

i think the biggest problem i see in going with the mentioned blower style would securely attaching the rod to the turbine on a turbo or whatever and the bolt on the power steering/ac compressor...i guess thats where the machine shop would come in to play

and i'm assuming you could just use the same oil/return lines if using a turbo is possible.

these thoughts were inspired by a post made a few down.

 

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Haven't seen the vortech unit, but I don't think you could get a blocked off turbo to work as the speeds would be too low.

Just as a suggestion you may want to post a link to the Vortech unit your talking about to spur more thought on the matter.</TD></TR></TABLE>

possibly make up for that for a smaller housing and gigantic turbine. find some way to make up for the speed of teh turbo with the speed of the air?

 

i wonder if there would be anyway to set it up like a fixed extra gear...you know like dropping a manual bicycle into lower gears where the rate of tire revelolutions is much faster then pedal revolutions (i made that wording ten times more complicated then needed)

 

well do it by pully size or gear size or whatever the vortech uses. The smaller it is the faster it goes, which makes it hella simple. 1/3 the size of the crankshaft 3x faster, but thats all in relation as to where its connected. If its connected where the P/S connects 1/3 the size of that is pretty small, but it would have some pretty good revolutions. (at 3k rpm the turbo would spin at 9k, as if you don't get the point already).

Edit: what about finding a relatively strong and reliable electric motor, i mean you can get 9-10k rpm circular saw motors but i don't know if it'd produce enough power to spin a turbine and move the air. Cuz then you'd be leeching off the electric supply insead of the engine.

 

looking at the position it would probably sit where your stock intake box would be make it really easy to have a cone style filter dropping down to get the cold air.

i do see the downfalls of using the turbo but that seems like the only possible option for making this an extremely simple and budget setup that would be easy to reproduce...does anyone know what i'm talking about for the "fixed gear" i mentioned? like i said i know a lot about car mechanics and stuff but outisde of that i'm clueless.

 

ok well heres a weird idea. i was thinking about using a big block smog pump to supercharge a briiggs and stratton engine. ill give you the link in a minute, do a search on google for smog pump supercharger and there was this guy that used 8 of these things hooked together to aupercharge a V-8. so i think three or four would be ok for a 4 cylinder engine and there only like 20 bucks a pop at a junk yard. ill give you that link later

 

yep .. u are not alone.. been thinkin on this idea for a while too... was talking to a friend about it... been thinkin on using somethin like this :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...76190

and just fabricating the mounts and the rod etc etc..

 

G60's are very strange superchargers.

To creat boost efficiently (ie: you could use a bigass compressor turned slower) you will need to spin the turbo at like 100,000+ rpm.

-Dustin

 

yeah definitely need a centrifugal supercharger style thats why i was thinking about using the turbo

but the biggest problem i forsee with that is attaching the rod to the rotor of a turbo i would think you would have to access the turbine from the exhaust side

 

Not trying to shoot anybodys dreams down but... it would be alot easier to make a turbo kit!

 

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i agree.

 

nice car.

 

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Eaton,Jackson Racing and Vortech has year's of experience in force induction. Unless you have a cad and a cnc machine I think I would piece a turbo together!

 

Just to help the arguement instead of trying to make the wheel speed of a turbo reach 10,000RPMS, you could just use a dump truck T4 turbo instead of the more common T-25 or Mustu/garrett turbos.

The MUCH larger compressor wheel won't have to spin anywhere NEAR as fast to make boost on a 1.6L - 2.0L as it would to spin to make boost on a 7.0L dump truck.

Is everyone starting to see why S/C aren't as efficent as turbos ?

I spent less than $1000 between building a low compressoin turbo SOHC after buying the motor and the turbo parts, and FMS, and fuel system. To make a HM(S) you'd spend prob. $1000 between getting it mounted to the car and the pulley system half way right...

 

wasn't there some guy that put a kompressor supercharger on a honda somewhere?

i can't remember but it was done or something

 

yeah over at dseries.org they had a prototype unit that put out some damn decent power looking at dyno sheets...hooked up right where your ac compressor would be allowing you to use an intercooler and everything...never hit the production floor though..

and anyway i've just trying to think about something a little different..i mean turbo kits are a dime a dozen everyone can do that no problem..the "junkyard" turbo idea has exhausted itself in my opinion.

 

oh yay its another "im not building a turbo becuase its been done" dumbass.

(insert roll eyes here)

 

[QUOTE=91civicDXdude]"im not building a turbo becuase its been done" [QUOTE]

wuts wrong with that?? just cuz he wants to do something diff. he is a dumbass??


and back to the topic again ... does any1 remember/seen this crx??? any1 seen the supercharger he is/was running?? ... saw it long time ago at pomona.. he was running some weird sc that ive never seen before... it was mounted right around where the ac would be at... didnt get the chance to ask

 

Pretty sure it must be the procharger kit. I had a picture of it but can't find it. I think you can check it out at procharger.com.

 

yeah its been done...done by me....i had my fun, sold my setup and now my curiousities take me elsewhere...so don't call me a dumbass just because i'm closing my issue of Honda Tuning with the "junkyard turbo" article in it and stepping off the bandwagon.

originality and innovation is where its at

 

i am glad to see you think outside of the box but there is alot more r&d in a supercharger than a turbo system!

 

not that this has to do with anything but that CRX was in the MTV street racing special [QUOTE=JCracer723][QUOTE=91civicDXdude]"im not building a turbo becuase its been done" <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

wuts wrong with that?? just cuz he wants to do something diff. he is a dumbass??


and back to the topic again ... does any1 remember/seen this crx??? any1 seen the supercharger he is/was running?? ... saw it long time ago at pomona.. he was running some weird sc that ive never seen before... it was mounted right around where the ac would be at... didnt get the chance to ask

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