Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams
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Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams
There is NO OTHER INFORMATION OUT ON THESE CAMS, only what we think might happen.
All there is on their site about these cams is their updated techinical note chart.
Here are the 3 charts that Toda has used thus far.
Old 3/17/03, New 12/15/03, Newest 12/16/03
OLD 3/17/03
New 12/15/03
Newest 12/16/03
If you look at the Technical Notes that Toda has written in all 3 of those charts, you will see how they changed. Obviously the fastest change being between the 15th and the 16th, the change happened yesterday, today is the 17th). And these changes happened around the same time members that have posted said they had called and asked Toda questions about their cams.
You can see the differences between the 2 charts (Old one and 2 new ones). Judging by what the new tech notes say the requirements are. There will more then likely be a new engine kit released with the Spec N+ cams that will have all the midrange the Spec A cams had, if not more, but with alot more top end than the Spec A cams had. I think i can make this assumption because if you look at technical note 9, the K20A Intake Manifold is suggested, and we all know that unless you got a cam that can make power up high, the K20A IM is pretty much irrelevant to have. I mean you would not get the K20A IM if you were running stock K20A2 cams. This kit will also retain VTC considering the VTC Killer Cam Pulleys are not required, and they mention nothing about using a pin to regulate the amount of movement on the Intake Cam pulley.
Just wait for Toda to release anymore info on this because up till now THERE IS NO OTHER INFORMATION ON THIS PRODUCT!!!
-Jalal
Modified by MJ23FE at 2:19 AM 12/18/2003
All there is on their site about these cams is their updated techinical note chart.
Here are the 3 charts that Toda has used thus far.
Old 3/17/03, New 12/15/03, Newest 12/16/03
OLD 3/17/03
New 12/15/03
Newest 12/16/03
If you look at the Technical Notes that Toda has written in all 3 of those charts, you will see how they changed. Obviously the fastest change being between the 15th and the 16th, the change happened yesterday, today is the 17th). And these changes happened around the same time members that have posted said they had called and asked Toda questions about their cams.
You can see the differences between the 2 charts (Old one and 2 new ones). Judging by what the new tech notes say the requirements are. There will more then likely be a new engine kit released with the Spec N+ cams that will have all the midrange the Spec A cams had, if not more, but with alot more top end than the Spec A cams had. I think i can make this assumption because if you look at technical note 9, the K20A Intake Manifold is suggested, and we all know that unless you got a cam that can make power up high, the K20A IM is pretty much irrelevant to have. I mean you would not get the K20A IM if you were running stock K20A2 cams. This kit will also retain VTC considering the VTC Killer Cam Pulleys are not required, and they mention nothing about using a pin to regulate the amount of movement on the Intake Cam pulley.
Just wait for Toda to release anymore info on this because up till now THERE IS NO OTHER INFORMATION ON THIS PRODUCT!!!
-Jalal
Modified by MJ23FE at 2:19 AM 12/18/2003
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (sjracer)
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hahaha.. we don't like ricers!.. or something of the sort..
hahaha.. we don't like ricers!.. or something of the sort..
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Who's a ricer?
hahaha.. we don't like ricers!.. or something of the sort..</TD></TR></TABLE>
Who's a ricer?
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (sjracer)
so i guess this guy is a ricer too...
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Originally posted by schuessler28
here's a few points to bring up. This is if my memory serves me correctly. Ron did not test the new toda flash against the itr and cat cams setups. He said that with the cat cams midrange, you would easliy pull a car length through the midrange against both the itr and toda setups. But I remember Ron sayin that the toda cams did not like the lower vtec engagement point so they stuck with the 5200 crossover.WTF? So how did toda do the complete opposite of ron's findings? Toda claims they are makin like 14whp over the cat cams in the midrange. But I've never seen a comparison of the old toda flash vs the new flash. Is the midrange really that improved?
Anyways, I know my car rocks. The midrange is sickening. Plus the sound is incredible. After the initial crossover, the sound remains static till about 7k then it gets a hell lot more aggressive. I absolutely love it and couldn't be more satisfied. I'd really like to see what these N+ cams would do. Maybe existing toda owners could get a free reflash if they bought the cams?
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You guys seem to forget what precipitated the revised Toda program and ultimately the new application. The N+ cams are AKH Trading's specific request to satisfy the US market after seeing results from Spec B and Spec C's. As well as anticpating enthusiasts' rebellion to run them on the street.
Anyway, here's what Spec A cams look like with the two different vtec engagements:
With a Hondata K-pro, I still feel that ITR cams can be tuned within shooting distance of Spec A's. Once the N+ are released, I doubt Spec A's will be offered going forward.
As far as naming convention goes, I think N+ is a marketing term that borrowed a little inspiration from the popular Japanese race series and maybe a little from Speed World Challenge. Here's my theory: N1 is a "one-make" or spec series, right? The original Spec A's were a spec cam (or legally allowed) for Speed World Challenge. The N+ cams have Spec A small lobes but with a revised big cam lobe that may resemble Spec B. The result? you have something that idles like a "spec A" but have a little more ooph which is a "plus" - ergo and voila "N+" .... oh well that's my little take on it. Bottom line, N+ cams are the fruit of AKH Trading's hard work for the US Market. You guys asked for it, now you're going to get it.
-Ron
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Originally posted by MugenDC2R
Ron was praising CAT's midrange because of the lower VTEC engagement versus TODa's 5200rpm. TODA later came out with a revised flash (as you already mentioned) which had a lower VTEC engagement and made more power than CAT's. So the midrange wasn't really attributed to the CAT cam, it was more ECU tuning.
Back to topic, all this speculation is driving me nuts! I wonder what these N+ camshafts are all about
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Tuning the K has been a learning experience for sure. VTEC engagement wasn't the only tuning change. VTC cam angle techniques learned from tuning the CAT's helped greatly when revising the Toda program. The interesting thing is that the original Spec A program investigated lower vtec points with not much success. The missing factor and secret to unleashing more power this time around was cam timing.
We recently started preliminary testing for the largest K-series cams to date and they are really promising. They are larger than Spec C's and retain VTC! The small lobes are are almost as big as Type R high cam, but with way more duration. With these monster cams, VTEC engagement is 6500rpm! We ran out of time and have many many more hours of tuning the big lobes before we can publish any results. But I'll give you a teaser. We're making more torque at 3500-4000rpm than ever seen before and its as flat as a table top all the way to redline. The torque curves and its tuning characteristics resemble that of the JRSC.
-Ron
Oh and these are this 1/4 mile times wit ha stock bottom end.
Quickest ET
13.154 @ 104.05
Quickest 60ft
1.854
Fastest Trap
105.96
Here is a list of the rest of his times and his mods.
`02 NBP
Mystery mod(s) worth an additonal 30hp! - ~250 dynojet whp / ~165 wtq
Ported BV head w/Cat Cams Sport 902's (4100rpm vtec, motul 5w40/motul Gear 300):
Dynapack 238.5whp / 157.3wtq
Ported BV head w/K20A cams (5200rpm vtec, mobil 1/honda mtf):
Dynapack 237.5whp / 160.9wtq
Ported BV head w/Toda cams(5200rpm vtec, motul 5w40/motul Gear 300):
Dynapack 246.2whp / 162.2wtq
Dynojet 221.1whp / 156.2wtq (SAE Corrected) - 223.3whp / 157.8wtq (Actual)
Ported BV head w/Toda cams(4100rpm vtec, motul 5w40/motul Gear 300):
Dynapack - retest pending
Dynojet 223.1whp / 154.6wtq (SAE Corrected)
Stock head dyno's w/K20A cams:
Dynapack 242.4whp / 169.9wtq - Dynojet 216.1whp / 154.9wtq (SAE Corrected) - 220.4whp / 158wtq (Actual)
Sacramento 03/26/03 - 13.154@104.54 - 13.201@105.17
Famoso 03/23/03 - 13.273@103.99 - 13.355@105.11
Firebird 03/22/03 - 13.522@102.77
California Speedway, infield course - 1:20
Willow Springs, Streets - 1:30's
Current state of tune:
AEM CAI - Hondata K20A derivitive reflash - Hondata intake gasket - K20A intake manifold 64.8mm port matched - 70mm taper to 64.8mm bored TB - Comptech Race Header - ES motor mount inserts - JIC Carbon Fiber rear strut tower brace - JIC FLT-A2 - neg. 2.6 camber w 1/8" toe out (corner weighted & balanced 50/50) - Specialty Products Rear camber arms - 2.25 neg. Zero toe - K20A Final Drive - UR SS pulley set - Motul synthetics: Tranny & Motor Oil - 5zigen Fire Titanium Catback Exhaust - D3 Designs Front strut tower brace and lower x-brace - Revo SS and Capyoda bushings - ES front/rear control arm bushing set - Base RSX front brake setup w/Axxis Ultimates (Drag Setup) - Rotora Big Brake Kit (Road Race Setup) - AEM Rear Big Brake Rotor w/ Axxis Ultimates rear brake pads - ATE Super Blue brake fluid - 5zigen FN01-RC (road race) w/ Toyo Proxxes RA1 235/40/17 - 5zigen FN01-R (street) - Azenis 225/45/17 - Hyperground Universal kit - Ignition Solutions Plasma Direct Coils - Factory front sway with Energy Suspension urethane bushings - Hotchkis Adjustable rear sway bar, competition endlinks - SealsIt Rod End seals 3/8" (16 total) - Bogart Drag Wheels 15 x 8(Front) 15 x 4(Rear) - M&H Racemaster Drag Slicks and skinnies 23 x 8(Front) - 24 x 3.6(Rear) - Toda valve springs - Ti retainers - 12100-PRB-A00 - competition headwork with 36mm (+1mm over stock) IN stainless valves, Toda Spec A cams - ATS 1600kg Carbon clutch and Flywheel package - Driveshaft Shop extreme level 5 axle/hub system - OS Giken Superlock LSD
Next mods:
custom billet cams
Individual Throttle Body Induction - Pending Install
AEM V2 - custom tuning pending
Comptech Race Exhaust - Release Pending
I know that ClubRSX has its ricers, every forum does, but not everyone over there is.
-Jalal
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Originally posted by schuessler28
here's a few points to bring up. This is if my memory serves me correctly. Ron did not test the new toda flash against the itr and cat cams setups. He said that with the cat cams midrange, you would easliy pull a car length through the midrange against both the itr and toda setups. But I remember Ron sayin that the toda cams did not like the lower vtec engagement point so they stuck with the 5200 crossover.WTF? So how did toda do the complete opposite of ron's findings? Toda claims they are makin like 14whp over the cat cams in the midrange. But I've never seen a comparison of the old toda flash vs the new flash. Is the midrange really that improved?
Anyways, I know my car rocks. The midrange is sickening. Plus the sound is incredible. After the initial crossover, the sound remains static till about 7k then it gets a hell lot more aggressive. I absolutely love it and couldn't be more satisfied. I'd really like to see what these N+ cams would do. Maybe existing toda owners could get a free reflash if they bought the cams?
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You guys seem to forget what precipitated the revised Toda program and ultimately the new application. The N+ cams are AKH Trading's specific request to satisfy the US market after seeing results from Spec B and Spec C's. As well as anticpating enthusiasts' rebellion to run them on the street.
Anyway, here's what Spec A cams look like with the two different vtec engagements:
With a Hondata K-pro, I still feel that ITR cams can be tuned within shooting distance of Spec A's. Once the N+ are released, I doubt Spec A's will be offered going forward.
As far as naming convention goes, I think N+ is a marketing term that borrowed a little inspiration from the popular Japanese race series and maybe a little from Speed World Challenge. Here's my theory: N1 is a "one-make" or spec series, right? The original Spec A's were a spec cam (or legally allowed) for Speed World Challenge. The N+ cams have Spec A small lobes but with a revised big cam lobe that may resemble Spec B. The result? you have something that idles like a "spec A" but have a little more ooph which is a "plus" - ergo and voila "N+" .... oh well that's my little take on it. Bottom line, N+ cams are the fruit of AKH Trading's hard work for the US Market. You guys asked for it, now you're going to get it.
-Ron
____________________
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quote:
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Originally posted by MugenDC2R
Ron was praising CAT's midrange because of the lower VTEC engagement versus TODa's 5200rpm. TODA later came out with a revised flash (as you already mentioned) which had a lower VTEC engagement and made more power than CAT's. So the midrange wasn't really attributed to the CAT cam, it was more ECU tuning.
Back to topic, all this speculation is driving me nuts! I wonder what these N+ camshafts are all about
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Tuning the K has been a learning experience for sure. VTEC engagement wasn't the only tuning change. VTC cam angle techniques learned from tuning the CAT's helped greatly when revising the Toda program. The interesting thing is that the original Spec A program investigated lower vtec points with not much success. The missing factor and secret to unleashing more power this time around was cam timing.
We recently started preliminary testing for the largest K-series cams to date and they are really promising. They are larger than Spec C's and retain VTC! The small lobes are are almost as big as Type R high cam, but with way more duration. With these monster cams, VTEC engagement is 6500rpm! We ran out of time and have many many more hours of tuning the big lobes before we can publish any results. But I'll give you a teaser. We're making more torque at 3500-4000rpm than ever seen before and its as flat as a table top all the way to redline. The torque curves and its tuning characteristics resemble that of the JRSC.
-Ron
Quickest ET
13.154 @ 104.05
Quickest 60ft
1.854
Fastest Trap
105.96
Here is a list of the rest of his times and his mods.
`02 NBP
Mystery mod(s) worth an additonal 30hp! - ~250 dynojet whp / ~165 wtq
Ported BV head w/Cat Cams Sport 902's (4100rpm vtec, motul 5w40/motul Gear 300):
Dynapack 238.5whp / 157.3wtq
Ported BV head w/K20A cams (5200rpm vtec, mobil 1/honda mtf):
Dynapack 237.5whp / 160.9wtq
Ported BV head w/Toda cams(5200rpm vtec, motul 5w40/motul Gear 300):
Dynapack 246.2whp / 162.2wtq
Dynojet 221.1whp / 156.2wtq (SAE Corrected) - 223.3whp / 157.8wtq (Actual)
Ported BV head w/Toda cams(4100rpm vtec, motul 5w40/motul Gear 300):
Dynapack - retest pending
Dynojet 223.1whp / 154.6wtq (SAE Corrected)
Stock head dyno's w/K20A cams:
Dynapack 242.4whp / 169.9wtq - Dynojet 216.1whp / 154.9wtq (SAE Corrected) - 220.4whp / 158wtq (Actual)
Sacramento 03/26/03 - 13.154@104.54 - 13.201@105.17
Famoso 03/23/03 - 13.273@103.99 - 13.355@105.11
Firebird 03/22/03 - 13.522@102.77
California Speedway, infield course - 1:20
Willow Springs, Streets - 1:30's
Current state of tune:
AEM CAI - Hondata K20A derivitive reflash - Hondata intake gasket - K20A intake manifold 64.8mm port matched - 70mm taper to 64.8mm bored TB - Comptech Race Header - ES motor mount inserts - JIC Carbon Fiber rear strut tower brace - JIC FLT-A2 - neg. 2.6 camber w 1/8" toe out (corner weighted & balanced 50/50) - Specialty Products Rear camber arms - 2.25 neg. Zero toe - K20A Final Drive - UR SS pulley set - Motul synthetics: Tranny & Motor Oil - 5zigen Fire Titanium Catback Exhaust - D3 Designs Front strut tower brace and lower x-brace - Revo SS and Capyoda bushings - ES front/rear control arm bushing set - Base RSX front brake setup w/Axxis Ultimates (Drag Setup) - Rotora Big Brake Kit (Road Race Setup) - AEM Rear Big Brake Rotor w/ Axxis Ultimates rear brake pads - ATE Super Blue brake fluid - 5zigen FN01-RC (road race) w/ Toyo Proxxes RA1 235/40/17 - 5zigen FN01-R (street) - Azenis 225/45/17 - Hyperground Universal kit - Ignition Solutions Plasma Direct Coils - Factory front sway with Energy Suspension urethane bushings - Hotchkis Adjustable rear sway bar, competition endlinks - SealsIt Rod End seals 3/8" (16 total) - Bogart Drag Wheels 15 x 8(Front) 15 x 4(Rear) - M&H Racemaster Drag Slicks and skinnies 23 x 8(Front) - 24 x 3.6(Rear) - Toda valve springs - Ti retainers - 12100-PRB-A00 - competition headwork with 36mm (+1mm over stock) IN stainless valves, Toda Spec A cams - ATS 1600kg Carbon clutch and Flywheel package - Driveshaft Shop extreme level 5 axle/hub system - OS Giken Superlock LSD
Next mods:
custom billet cams
Individual Throttle Body Induction - Pending Install
AEM V2 - custom tuning pending
Comptech Race Exhaust - Release Pending
I know that ClubRSX has its ricers, every forum does, but not everyone over there is.
-Jalal
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (sjracer)
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haha maybe you should understand what I said
mj23fe did! And yeah I know every forum does but club si/rsx are looked upon as.. a lot worse than over here..
Who's a ricer?
</TD></TR></TABLE>haha maybe you should understand what I said
mj23fe did! And yeah I know every forum does but club si/rsx are looked upon as.. a lot worse than over here..
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (GreenR)
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They're pretty straight forward, what did you expect a book? If someone knows their ****, TODA's tech notes are very self explanatory. But I guess to a kid or novice, they would seem "shaky"
</TD></TR></TABLE>They're pretty straight forward, what did you expect a book? If someone knows their ****, TODA's tech notes are very self explanatory. But I guess to a kid or novice, they would seem "shaky"
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (Blade)
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They're pretty straight forward, what did you expect a book? If someone knows their ****, TODA's tech notes are very self explanatory. But I guess to a kid or novice, they would seem "shaky" </TD></TR></TABLE>
That's why they have three different sets of tech notes Shake deeeez biotch!
They're pretty straight forward, what did you expect a book? If someone knows their ****, TODA's tech notes are very self explanatory. But I guess to a kid or novice, they would seem "shaky"
</TD></TR></TABLE>That's why they have three different sets of tech notes
Shake deeeez biotch!
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (Blade)
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They're pretty straight forward, what did you expect a book? If someone knows their ****, TODA's tech notes are very self explanatory. But I guess to a kid or novice, they would seem "shaky" </TD></TR></TABLE>
If you knew your ****, you'd know I know my ****.
They're pretty straight forward, what did you expect a book? If someone knows their ****, TODA's tech notes are very self explanatory. But I guess to a kid or novice, they would seem "shaky"
</TD></TR></TABLE>If you knew your ****, you'd know I know my ****.
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (Blade)
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They're pretty straight forward, what did you expect a book? If someone knows their ****, TODA's tech notes are very self explanatory. But I guess to a kid or novice, they would seem "shaky" </TD></TR></TABLE>
I hope that statement was personal target to that one person u shouted...
Cause i don't think your ***** r big enough to direct that crappp 2 everyone!
This forum is supposed to help out the misinformed
not crap on them.
They're pretty straight forward, what did you expect a book? If someone knows their ****, TODA's tech notes are very self explanatory. But I guess to a kid or novice, they would seem "shaky"
</TD></TR></TABLE>I hope that statement was personal target to that one person u shouted...
Cause i don't think your ***** r big enough to direct that crappp 2 everyone!
This forum is supposed to help out the misinformed
not crap on them.
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (Mr.TecH7)
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I hope that statement was personal target to that one person u shouted...
Cause i don't think your ***** r big enough to direct that crappp 2 everyone!
This forum is supposed to help out the misinformed not crap on them.
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It was directled @ GreenR. FYI, I do posses the testicular fortitude, but my issue with this guy is the amout of B.S. he adds to the posts. Instead of helping out the misinformed as you put it, he just makes "me too" comments. I read his bull **** on ClubRSX as well.
My favorite comment from GreenR "Toda is a marketing scheme"....yeah, that really shows how much you know your ****. Where are the TODa shift *****, or oil filler caps? none right? where's the marketing scheme?
I hope that statement was personal target to that one person u shouted...
Cause i don't think your ***** r big enough to direct that crappp 2 everyone!
This forum is supposed to help out the misinformed
not crap on them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It was directled @ GreenR. FYI, I do posses the testicular fortitude, but my issue with this guy is the amout of B.S. he adds to the posts. Instead of helping out the misinformed as you put it, he just makes "me too" comments. I read his bull **** on ClubRSX as well.
My favorite comment from GreenR "Toda is a marketing scheme"....yeah, that really shows how much you know your ****. Where are the TODa shift *****, or oil filler caps? none right? where's the marketing scheme?
gotcha 
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (Blade)
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It was directled @ GreenR. FYI, I do posses the testicular fortitude, but my issue with this guy is the amout of B.S. he adds to the posts. Instead of helping out the misinformed as you put it, he just makes "me too" comments. I read his bull **** on ClubRSX as well.
My favorite comment from GreenR "Toda is a marketing scheme"....yeah, that really shows how much you know your ****. Where are the TODa shift *****, or oil filler caps? none right? where's the marketing scheme?
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All you are doing is what? Talking **** over the net, bring to street or track and I'll bust that *** and show you I know my ****. I don't care what TODA brings out, because custom cams for you particular setup will work better than any mass production cams.
And when I say marketing scheme, I mean newbies like yourself, will think because TODA said you need this or that to run their cams that is the spoken WORD. But if you look at the different Tech charts then you will see that keep recommending different things, which you really not have to hav eand then they change their recommendation, all to keep you buying their stuff because they know that K-series owners are hungry for the newest performance parts. Not shift ***** than things of that sort.
Heres a me too comment for your ***
Everyones car is faster than yours, MINE TOO MF
It was directled @ GreenR. FYI, I do posses the testicular fortitude, but my issue with this guy is the amout of B.S. he adds to the posts. Instead of helping out the misinformed as you put it, he just makes "me too" comments. I read his bull **** on ClubRSX as well.
My favorite comment from GreenR "Toda is a marketing scheme"....yeah, that really shows how much you know your ****. Where are the TODa shift *****, or oil filler caps? none right? where's the marketing scheme?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
All you are doing is what? Talking **** over the net, bring to street or track and I'll bust that *** and show you I know my ****. I don't care what TODA brings out, because custom cams for you particular setup will work better than any mass production cams.
And when I say marketing scheme, I mean newbies like yourself, will think because TODA said you need this or that to run their cams that is the spoken WORD. But if you look at the different Tech charts then you will see that keep recommending different things, which you really not have to hav eand then they change their recommendation, all to keep you buying their stuff because they know that K-series owners are hungry for the newest performance parts. Not shift ***** than things of that sort.
Heres a me too comment for your ***
Everyones car is faster than yours, MINE TOO MF
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (GreenR)
Can you guys stop now??? Please.
All this bitching back and forth, you are contradicting this whole H-T anti-ricer thing by being ricers yourselves. Well maybe not ricers, but stooping down to their level by arguing like little girls. Just chill. Use the IM feature and bitch all you want over that. This thread is full of good info and the arguing just clogs it up and litters it with useless info. I hope a moderator looks at this and just erases this post and the posts that you guys made arguing.
-Jalal
All this bitching back and forth, you are contradicting this whole H-T anti-ricer thing by being ricers yourselves. Well maybe not ricers, but stooping down to their level by arguing like little girls. Just chill. Use the IM feature and bitch all you want over that. This thread is full of good info and the arguing just clogs it up and litters it with useless info. I hope a moderator looks at this and just erases this post and the posts that you guys made arguing.
-Jalal
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (GreenR)
You know what dick head, neither of us will be able to teach each other a lesson on the net, so this back and forth, is a waste of everyone's time.
So what they changed their web....do you think the engineer who designs the parts updated the web site? They have web guys doing that and people make mistakes. Those "changes" you talking about.... the first was there before N+ cams were added....the 2nd said somehting about an N+ engine kit, and now intead of N+ engine kit it says TBA.
So what they changed their web....do you think the engineer who designs the parts updated the web site? They have web guys doing that and people make mistakes. Those "changes" you talking about.... the first was there before N+ cams were added....the 2nd said somehting about an N+ engine kit, and now intead of N+ engine kit it says TBA.
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (.jefs0ng)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .jefs0ng »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mj23fe did! And yeah I know every forum does but club si/rsx are looked upon as.. a lot worse than over here..</TD></TR></TABLE>
Of course there are going to be more "ricers" (and i really hate using that term) over at clubrsx because there's A LOT more RSX members over there then over here at honda-tech. With more members, of course, proportionally, you're going to get more of them. Also, most other Honda/Acura enthusiast are haters. They look down upon the RSX/EP3 because in their mind, "nothing will ever beat the B-series motor, or nothing will ever beat my double wishbone front suspension." And you can't deny it. That's how people still think, even though we all know K-series motors have a lot of potential.
When it comes to RSX technical needs, Clubrsx still cannot be beat! I have said this before and i will say it again, "Clubrsx still cannot be beat!"
Of course there are going to be more "ricers" (and i really hate using that term) over at clubrsx because there's A LOT more RSX members over there then over here at honda-tech. With more members, of course, proportionally, you're going to get more of them. Also, most other Honda/Acura enthusiast are haters. They look down upon the RSX/EP3 because in their mind, "nothing will ever beat the B-series motor, or nothing will ever beat my double wishbone front suspension." And you can't deny it. That's how people still think, even though we all know K-series motors have a lot of potential.
When it comes to RSX technical needs, Clubrsx still cannot be beat! I have said this before and i will say it again, "Clubrsx still cannot be beat!"
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Re: Toda Racing Spec N+ Cams (MJ23FE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MJ23FE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can you guys stop now??? Please.
All this bitching back and forth, you are contradicting this whole H-T anti-ricer thing by being ricers yourselves. Well maybe not ricers, but stooping down to their level by arguing like little girls. Just chill. Use the IM feature and bitch all you want over that. This thread is full of good info and the arguing just clogs it up and litters it with useless info. I hope a moderator looks at this and just erases this post and the posts that you guys made arguing.
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Your right, I apologize for arguning with a gay Blade about my opinion, which no one has to like or agree with. So it stops here.
All this bitching back and forth, you are contradicting this whole H-T anti-ricer thing by being ricers yourselves. Well maybe not ricers, but stooping down to their level by arguing like little girls. Just chill. Use the IM feature and bitch all you want over that. This thread is full of good info and the arguing just clogs it up and litters it with useless info. I hope a moderator looks at this and just erases this post and the posts that you guys made arguing.
-Jalal</TD></TR></TABLE>
Your right, I apologize for arguning with a gay Blade about my opinion, which no one has to like or agree with. So it stops here.
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Blade, if your car runs 12's than by all means state your opinions. Most likely it does not, so keep it to yourself. Everyone is on here to learn from educated people, who have done the research.
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Re: (1fstEP3)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1fstEP3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Blade, if your car runs 12's than by all means state your opinions. Most likely it does not, so keep it to yourself. Everyone is on here to learn from educated people, who have done the research.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's an EG hatch with a B18C5, and it does run 12's.
It's an EG hatch with a B18C5, and it does run 12's.
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I meant k-series, considering we are in the DC5/EP3 forum. It isn't hard making a EG run 12's, since it is so light and there are so many parts out for b-series. K is another story...
