Well I went to my local Riteaid and went to the magazine section. I saw a new issue of Super Honda and as I flip through it I saw an article stating the CTR will be in America in 04. I was like wtf, why dont they bring the fricking ITR over here.
So will the CTR be here in Feb?

 

They will always "claim" it will come, but in reallity, I doubt it

 

Never coming.

 

Wont happen.

 

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So will the CTR be here in Feb?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why would they bring it over now when the '04 EP3's are redesigned and they have the Honda Performance Package available for it?

 

think on a economic level....with the rsx-s at 25,000, and with better looks, the civic type r would just be AS much if not more than it.....who in america would actually buy a 25-28,000 doller Civic....I wouldnt!

Honda is not going to spend the extra money to get the civic-r to pass emissions (I know it would just use the type-s motor and cat..), and crash safety for the US?

It aint coming over, my hopes have dwindled after 2 years.....

 

I believe we will see another R of some sorts

 

keeping my finger crossed.

 

0% chance of it happening. It would have to be priced below the RSX-S (since Acura has a better image in the US and a better warranty) and above the already-confirmed HFP Civic Si. Those two things can never happen.

Honda is going to get raped on the HFP Si. They'll actually be priced higher than an RSX-S.

I could much more easily see the DC5R coming over here for around $25-26000. A bit above the RSX-S, but still below the S2000.

 

I wish they would bring over the DC5-R... But a CTR would be cool. I doubt it will sell much becuase of the price

 

I also wish they would be brought here... but like it was already mention about the honda factory performance.... they wont bring em b/c of the HFP...they are putting too much effort into selling and marketing HFP to bring over the R's....

 

I'm with Ben, either Honda will bring some "R's" to the US or they're sales and reputation will suffer. Nearly every other automaker has a sports variant of they're small cars. Honda is devoid of such offerings (especially in 4 doors). They're long overdue for a Civic Sports Sedan and/or Civic Type R coupe/hatch.

The retunr of the ITR (or RSX-R) in unlikely IMO too, since Acura is reducing sales of RSX's to 15K annually. They're tyring build the brand of Acura by selling more high $ cars, while cross-promoting they're performance images and new A-spec packages. It seems unlikely they would offer an RSX-R unless it was solely to promote the performance image of Acura. If so, I would envision it being another stripper (no a/c, sound deadening, etc). Just my interpretation from recent articles and press releases from Honda.

That said, I expect an unvailing of a CTR at one of the major autoshows this winter. Of course, what do I know....I just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night

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Well the chances of the US seeing the DC5R is very, very rare. All things point to a big *** no. The RSX's are selling fine, and most type S's are not even making to the lots. The RSX-S is on a big demand at the moment so Acura sales are sky rocketing. Another reason why honda/acura will not bring over the DC5R is that hp would only be increased by 20hp, with the same tq. So that is another deciding factor as to why it wont come. Most people would not want to spend another 2-4k so for 20 more hp.

If you check up on very old articles ( I will try to find them) they explained the reason why they brought the DC2R. During the DC2 era sales were not very good and the gsr, ls, rs were not big sellers.
Honda/Acura then decided to bring the R over at a lost to promote the DC2. This was a wise step for honda/acura.

So at the moment Acura is selling the rsx rather good, so don't expect the DC5R hitting th shores unless you import one yourself.

As for the CTR I have heard many rumors of it hitting the US, and all signs point to the CTR arriving. Even if the CTR is priced another 3-6k more then the current Si, sales would greatly increase due to the fact you are gaining 40 more hp, and more tq and a sixth gear. People will not mind paying an extra 3-6k more then the current Si to get these options. So do not doubt the CTR arriving. Just remember the specs of the current Si, and the specs of the CTR. Those two are way different in many ways.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jimmyjames &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">0% chance of it happening. It would have to be priced below the RSX-S (since Acura has a better image in the US and a better warranty) and above the already-confirmed HFP Civic Si. Those two things can never happen.

I could much more easily see the DC5R coming over here for around $25-26000. A bit above the RSX-S, but still below the S2000.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Acura officials have stated that they don't think the CTR will step on the RSX-S's toes. The CTR is a small market homologated special vehicle that is not going to be the kind of thing that the average non-enthusiast customer is going to buy.

As for the DC5R, I'd rather see that come over but who knows. The fact that Acura is trying to improve their luxury image may mean no DC5R, or it may mean no base model RSX, or it could mean both. Hard to say at this point.

Costwise, as long as the emissions on the K20A are up to spec, the DC5R is cheaper to make than the DC2R was. No chassis reinforcements over the regular chassis, and no costly port polishing for the engine. Of course, the DC5R will have to be priced at around $25-26K to be successful and that will hurt the sales of the A-Spec package. Maybe Acura feels A-spec is for those who still want leather and a sunroof and the R is for a more hardcore customer. That however, seems unlikely.

For the CTR to be successful I think it will have to be priced at $21-22K. It may do ok at $23K but I think that would be pushing it.

 

You guys just aren't getting it. You're each talking about the CTR coming over here and being priced around $23,000. Guess what, the 04 Si HFP is going to be priced at $24,000! Yes, that price has been confirmed. Who in their right might would pay that for a 160HP Civic? There's NO WAY that the CTR, if it arrives, will be priced less than the HFP.

Granted, the HFP will probably sell for well under retail as the 02 and 03 Si's did, but it will still be over $21,000. The CTR would have to be at least $25-26,000 not to compete directly with the HFP and Type-S.

If Honda hadn't wasted so much time and money on the HFP, I'd say that there's a good chance that the CTR will show up here. As it is, I don't see how the HFP and CTR can coexist.

 

RTFT n00b.

Everyone acknowledges that HFP/A-spec probably means that we won't be getting either of the R's. If either of the R's do indeed come they will have to priced correctly if they are going sell. Reading is fundamental.

 

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agreed

 

Well genius, how about some pricing then. You claimed that it would have to be priced at about $21k-22K in your post above. Knowing that the HFP will be prices at $24K, please explain this. Mathematics is fundamental as well.

 

Honda like to keep all the Kiddies there and grown up image in Acura. CTR have more chance the ITR. Either way, now A spec from Acura is cheaper way then to certification so story ends.

 

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Mathematics are fundamental as well as proper english grammar and reading comprehension skills.

What I am getting at is that it would not make sense for Honda to bring in the CTR if it does in fact get priced above the HFP Si. For the CTR to be successful it really cannot cost much more than $21-23K IMO. If it comes in at $24-26K Honda is going to have trouble moving them. If the CTR comes it is either going to be a failure because its priced higher than the HFP, or HFP is going to be a failure because its priced higher than the CTR. Is that so difficult to understand?

&lt;wishful thought of the day&gt;Maybe marketing folks at Honda have seen the negative response to HFP/A-Spec and the continued pleads for the R's and decided to take the hit on the HFP/A-Spec program.&lt;/wishful thought of the day&gt;


Modified by JMU R1 at 5:39 PM 12/16/2003

 

I think people are thinking too much on pricing. GSR was 21k and ITR was 23 IN MY AREA. its not really hard to see an R coming.

Ill stick to my claims...

 

So you're now claiming that Honda will likely loose all of the money that they've put into the HFP in order to undercut it with the CTR? Um, okay.

I'd love to see the CTR over here. It's just that no one has made an argument for it's coming that's even remotely intelligent.

 

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No, its called demographics.

 

No, it's called economics.

 

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No. The point was, who the hell is going to buy a HFP, when a CTR can be had for less $$ (if the CTR is priced appropriately - we all saw the prices go down hard on the EP3's).

Or..... if the CTR is more expensive... who the hell is going to buy one, when a little more $$ will get you a lot more performance?

The two cannot co-exist, at similar price points.

Honda shot themselves in the foot with these "FP" packages that dont really offer much in the way of real performance benefit for their cost.