Ok this may seem a little frivolous but I need to buy new lug nuts anyway I'm looking at ordering a set of lug nuts for my ITR and I want to go with some JDM "tuner" lug nuts. I know that the USDM lug nuts weigh in at about 1.5lbs. and I want something lighter. I've seen several brands including Kyokugen, Muteki, Greddy, etc. I know some of you have these nuts and I'd like to know what your experience has been not in terms of performance but rather durability, weight reduction, theft protection, etc...

BTW: What pitch thread size is the ITR ??

Thanks for the info !!

 

What kind of wheels?

Why do you want lighter lugnuts? Its not like there is any performance benefit.

 

Yeah, its like I said, I don't expect my 1/4 mile to drop with these nuts Basically, I need to buy some anti-theft nuts anyway and since these "tuner" nuts come with special keys anyway I might as well get some in black or anodized red for the extra bling

 

Do not use the tuner style lugnuts on a stock wheel. It is dangerous.

 

Yes, I plan to use them on my ITR OEM wheels but "Dangerous" ?? How come ??

 

I'm using Rays lug nuts.

Durability? No issues. The anodization started scraping off inside the thread and I thought I stripped a stud by accident. But other than that? No issues.

Weight reduction? Sure. It's hell of a lot lighter than stock lug nuts. Probably did nothing for performance but something has to justify the price.

Theft protection? Not sure about that one since it's not like Rays are a rare brand. I'm sure there are a good number of keys floating around in the hands of thieves.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iperez &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but "Dangerous" ?? How come ?? </TD></TR></TABLE>

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels...s.htm

Stock honda is 'ball' style. Aftermarket wheels use the tapered style.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iperez &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, I plan to use them on my ITR OEM wheels but "Dangerous" ?? How come ?? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Tuner/tapered lug nuts will not seat completely on an OEM wheel which is acorn style.

 

Good point about the tapered vs. "ball" style. Are all tuner nuts tapered ?? I would have thought the makers would take this into consideration ??

 

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Less unsprung weight and less rotational mass.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Willard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Less unsprung weight and less rotational mass.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, but the weight difference is nominal.... especially using stock wheels and street tires, and the weight being so close to the hub has little effect on the polar moment of the wheel assy.

 

I'm just accepting the fact that they are lighter as a "nice to have" feature .. I am really just concerned about the tapered vs. ball issue which could really be a show stopper for me.

 

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Buy the Spoon lug nuts for the s2000 (the pair on the right).

 

They are designed for aftermarket wheels only. Get NSX lugs which are black if you want black oem lugs.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, but the weight difference is nominal....</TD></TR></TABLE>
nominal? the sp00ns are ~50% (if not more) lighter than stock.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and the weight being so close to the hub has little effect on the polar moment of the wheel assy.</TD></TR></TABLE>it still has an effect on the rotational moment of inertia...

there is 'some' benefit... just like using worn tires vs. new ones.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Willard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nominal? the sp00ns are ~50% (if not more) lighter than stock.</TD></TR></TABLE>

But what reduction in percentage of the total wheel assmbly or unsprung weight do these provide?

I am not saying that there isnt an effect. I'm just saying that the effect is one that cant be felt by the likes of us mortals behind the wheel

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Willard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it still has an effect on the rotational moment of inertia...

there is 'some' benefit... just like using worn tires vs. new ones.</TD></TR></TABLE>

VERY little benefit. Worn tires vs new tires will provide a much larger difference because of the distance of the addition weight from the center of the rotating mass (hub). Wheel lugs are quite close to the center and would need a much larger difference in weight than new vs old tires to make the same difference.

If you want to save that much more time a lap/run, then fine. But let's not kid ourselves into thinking it's a wise investment for a HPDE car, street car, etc.

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its not like there is any performance benefit.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

I hope you knew what i meant

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dave-ROR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">VERY little benefit. Worn tires vs new tires will provide a much larger difference because of the distance of the addition weight from the center of the rotating mass (hub). Wheel lugs are quite close to the center and would need a much larger difference in weight than new vs old tires to make the same difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>
But there is 'some'.
The lugs are not at the centerline of the c.v. joint.

Tires = biggest difference.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dave-ROR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But let's not kid ourselves into thinking it's a wise investment for a HPDE car, street car, etc.</TD></TR></TABLE>if you have to buy lugz.... get them.

 

id rather buy a set of usdm LUGZ....funk master flex stylez.

 

Just to clarify - just because something has an effect, doesnt mean there is a performance benefit as a result.

 

no effect = no benefit
some effect = some benefit
big effect = big benefit

 

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and arguing for the sake of argument is still retarded...

and p.s., your mama's so fat, when i told her to haul ***, she had to make 2 trips.

 

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I don't know, every time I go to shaving weight off of my R and I end up taking off even half a pound, I smile knowing that all those half pounds will add up, and thus increase performace in the end.