Shootout was done on Gingerman, MI. A track where Expo 02 took place. The best lap times they recorded were 1'32" for the GT40, and 1'34" for the GT3 & F360. Personally I think those times seem a bit slow..... I was expecting to see those cars, with that much horsepower and handling capability, to run low low 30's or even in the 20's.

Couple ITRs and S2Ks I know run high 30's. jg's EG hybrid and EFFECT's S2K race car got 34's I think. sackdz's race car got 37's. Those guys at C&D obviously have a lot of experience on driving different kind of cars on a race track, but those times just seem slow. Kinda disappointed. I don't think those cars were explored anywhere close to their full potential. 1.33g on the GT3 at turn 3 is amazing tho.

 

Yeah that is odd, why are they not blazing lap times...

 

What kind of tires were they running? If it was on street tires, then those times are not bad at all.

 

Stock tires. But I highly doubt that they are any normal "street tire" as some lateral G's recorded were well above 1.0.

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Just based off of memory here:
F360 - Pirelli Corsa
GT40 - Goodyear Eagle
GT3 - Michelin Pilot Sport

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wai &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stock tires. But I highly doubt that they are any normal "street tire" as some lateral G's recorded were well above 1.0.

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F360 - Pirelli Corsa
GT40 - Goodyear Eagle
GT3 - Michelin Pilot Sport</TD></TR></TABLE>

Still, not the tires they would like to run for shaving seconds.
I agree, those lap times seem high....

Chris - who doesn't forsee himself making enough money anytime soon to get a new Ford GT/GT40.

 

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GT3's 1.33g out of turn 3 still amazes me. Imagine if it was on Hoosiers. The driver would probably die from internal organ distortion.

 

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LOL!

 

Prolly cold weather and not driving 10/10's since they are borrowed cars.

 

I got the issue yesterday. I'm drooling over all of them!! Their lap times do not look so fast, wish they had invited some pro drivers to do the test drives.

 

I enjoyed reading that article a week ago, one of the better ones in quite some time. I'd love to see the drivers of best motoring take control of those cars and put out another monthly review.

 

Why do I have chr0me prancing horsies in my dreams every night?

Stradale = :severe dr00ling:

 

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Stradale = :severe dr00ling: </TD></TR></TABLE>

Do we have to answer that one Those times dont seem to bad to me. But I think they could be quicker, if they didnt have to worry about killing someone else's car.

 

A lot of the slow lap times will come from having street tires designed more for high speed stability than for cornering. They can still corner like hell because the tires are so wide, but the cars really are set up for high speed. Assuming the tires were swapped out for some good r-compound tires or anything designed more for grip than top speed then several seconds could easily be knocked from their times. With r-compound, I'd expect to see all of them at or below 1:30.

 

I really think susp set-up has much more to do w/handling than tires. Of coarse those tires wern't any crap from Sears.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc231 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A lot of the slow lap times will come from having street tires designed more for high speed stability than for cornering. They can still corner like hell because the tires are so wide, but the cars really are set up for high speed. Assuming the tires were swapped out for some good r-compound tires or anything designed more for grip than top speed then several seconds could easily be knocked from their times. With r-compound, I'd expect to see all of them at or below 1:30. </TD></TR></TABLE>


I think that the stock tires would one those High performace cars corner just fine... highspeed stability goes hand in hand with stiffside wall for cornering.

-nate

 

I think higher horsepower cars are more difficult to learn how to drive fast. In most Honda's and other lower hp cars (especially FWD), you can just mash the throttle right before the apex. However, with powerful RWD cars, you have to be very controlled with the throttle. In time, a driver learns how to apply more throttle, but these CD drivers are not pro's or do track driving in high hp cars all the time.

 

Gingerman isnt really a horsepower track, hp wont help out out there as much as it will say, Road America, Mid Ohio Nelson ledges etc, that enabale's us slow honda's to keep pace with the faster cars.

I think you guys should be praising ME since Im almost as fast as them! I RULE!!

Mike

 

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Absolutely, I don't think they would even try to achieve times worthy of competiton in $100K and $200K sports cars.

 

gt3

 

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Most instructors are only use the more linear power cars. hehehe. Btw no owner is dumb enough to give his 100k+ car and let the instructor drive 10/10 on it.