Anyone ever removed the ABS on ITR's or GSR's??

What are the do's and dont's?

 

I believe itr206 has removed it on his ITR, maybe give him a PM. Keep in mind, it's a very good ABS system so don't mess with it unless you are really hardcore on ripping everything out for drags or whatnot.

 

To ABS or not to ABS??

How about some opinions. Maybe I'll keep it

 

i say get rid of it, tests show that cars without abs always stop faster than cars with

 

i took mine out! You need NON ABS Hardlines, MC, BB and Prop Valve. Contact Boosted3G on the boards. Tell him Stephen Sent you !

 

Here are the parts you need:

(4) Front brake hard lines from 94-96 Integra RS
(1) 4040 Prop valve from 94-96 Integra RS
(1) Master cylinder from Integra RS 15/16"
(1) Brake booster from Integra RS 15/16"

Takes up to 3 hours to remove (if that).

 

why would you need all those parts? And why a smaller master cylinder? that would lead to greater pedal effort.

 

i suggest not taking them out unless you really have a logical reasoning to.
I took mine out not only becuase i ahte ABS and feel i have more control of a slide than the pulsating effect of ABS , but my car is more of less a track car, and drag *****, i need to meet weight limits with this car and ABS was one of those not really needed items to me .
to remove it , remove the ecu in the pass side rear panel , remove the ABS unti under the hood and all the hard lines, and the sensors in the hubs i believe they were.
What i did then is used a Proportioning valve from a 2nd gen Teg, and got Hard lines from Advanced Auto and ran new front lines, i have pics, ill post of the set up prob tommorow , im in class nwo and dont wanna searcxh for them . its much easier with the motor out though, i cant imagine having to do it with the motor in , that tangled mess with the lines is sickening

 

all i did was pull the fuses... no ABS but an annoying ABS light on the dash

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Migs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here are the parts you need:

(4) Front brake hard lines from 94-96 Integra RS
(1) 4040 Prop valve from 94-96 Integra RS
(1) Master cylinder from Integra RS 15/16"
(1) Brake booster from Integra RS 15/16"

Takes up to 3 hours to remove (if that).</TD></TR></TABLE>

are you high?

 

You can use your existing Master Cylinder along with the brake booster. Only way to accomplish this is to customize one brake line. By using the 15/16" master cylinder, everything is in place and does not require to bend any line what so ever.

 

customize? what a horrible word. cut/bend/re-flare as necessary. no biggie.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18jdmteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i say get rid of it, tests show that cars without abs always stop faster than cars with</TD></TR></TABLE>

I can think of some H2 Honda Challenge drivers who disagree with you.

The ITR will always have a huge advantage over its other class competitors because of the excellent ABS system on the car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr206 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ii have more control of a slide than the pulsating effect of ABS</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sometimes I feel like I'm driving a different car than some of you.

I have used ITR ABS any number of times on the track, and I really don't remember anything like a "pulsating effect."

Somebody run ask Jason Franza if he feels a pulsating effect.

Hell, maybe all these years I just haven't been pushing the pedal hard enough and I could've been stopping faster. LOL...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can think of some H2 Honda Challenge drivers who disagree with you.
The ITR will always have a huge advantage over its other class competitors because of the excellent ABS system on the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Which again, makes me want to get mine fixed ASAP.

 

I'm glad George said it and not me, I'm not really interested in starting another ABS/non ABS war

If you're going to be road racing or driving on the street especially in the rain or snow then Definitely keep the ABS. Otherwise I guess it's just added weight

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Sometimes I feel like I'm driving a different car than some of you.

I have used ITR ABS any number of times on the track, and I really don't remember anything like a "pulsating effect."

Somebody run ask Jason Franza if he feels a pulsating effect.

Hell, maybe all these years I just haven't been pushing the pedal hard enough and I could've been stopping faster. LOL...</TD></TR></TABLE>


have you ever driven your R in the snow? hit the brakes hard enuff on the ice or snow , youll feel the pulsating. Isnt the way ABS works is by applying and letting off and reapplying the brakes at a diff rate than locking them up basically?
Im not trying to start a war either, Im saying i feel more undercontrol of the car without it if the brakes are hit hard enuff. call me crazy , but its driver preference

 

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have you ever driven your R in the snow? hit the brakes hard enuff on the ice or snow , youll feel the pulsating. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I am more concerned with hauling the car down from 140 in time to make Summit One, or slowing from 110 to 45 fast enough in the short space allowed to make Summit Five.

But, to answer your question, when I do what you said at low speeds on snow and ice, I hear the moaning of the ABS pump, but I do not feel any pulsating.

Perhaps I have lost some of my perceptions as I have aged. (Most of the moderators would agree with that.)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Perhaps I have lost some of my perceptions as I have aged. (Most of the moderators would agree with that.)</TD></TR></TABLE>

George giving punches to himself

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Perhaps I have lost some of my perceptions as I have aged. (Most of the moderators would agree with that.)</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

every car i have had ABS has done the same thing, im sure i havent bought numerous brandnew cars in a row that had broken ABS systems .

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr206 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">every car i have had ABS has done the same thing, im sure i havent bought numerous brandnew cars in a row that had broken ABS systems . </TD></TR></TABLE>

ITR ABS pulses a lot faster than most cars. I'm serious, I really do not feel it in the pedal. At low speeds where the exhaust and engine noise doesn't overhwhelm everything, I can hearing the pump moaning.

Jason, what about you? You didn't say anything, either way.

 

well like i said i own one too and its not like i havent basically driven every honda out there, they all act the same as mine did . I dont understand why this is a controversy. I just stated that i took mine out and how i did and why i did .

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr206 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I dont understand why this is a controversy.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It becomes a controversy when people say that the ITR ABS is like the awful, instrusive ABS systems that come on many cars.

It becomes a controversy when people remove an ABS system that other racers would love to be able to put on their cars.



We can all do what we want w/our cars, but I don't think people should make blanket statements about how awful ABS is when the ITR ABS is really quite good.

George. Who has had a few serious discussions with NASA chief instructors about ITR ABS.

I'd still like to hear from Willard, both Jasons, and Robert #77 about ITR brakes. I mean, who knows? I could be full of it.

Why ITR racers love their brakes:

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.honda-challenge.com/03gallery/round7/pics/image09.jpg</TD></TR></TABLE>

Whoa, a third gear rolling burnout!

ITR ABS really is good. It is much better than the ABS on non-ITR Integras.

As far as stopping in snow, dirt, gravel, etc., it is generally accepted that the fastest way to stop is by locking up your wheels and letting them dig in. Calling ITR ABS bad just because it is not optimal in low traction conditions is far from fair.