Well my car has been running like crap for the last few months. All from an assortment of problems regarding fuel and my head possibly being shaved too much. I finally went ahead and got my hondata setup, which was street tuned last night. The car runs AWESOME now with a perfect AF (13-13.5) across the board. We also did part throttle tuning and its running super smooth. I also got the ride in a 350whp Teg which wasn't too shabby either .

< Is in love with his car again and even more so with Hondata

I'm going to the track tonight and plan on getting some good footage of the R in action.

 

Where did you get your hondata tuned at?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jond &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where did you get your hondata tuned at?
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he said "street tuned"....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 01-1194 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

he said "street tuned".... </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think tuners are taught how to street tune with hondata. IB does it...

 

What does "Street tune" usually mean? Like tuned themselves?

 

It means tuning for normal driving. It really isn't practical to have your car tuned at WOT and then run it on the street when you are not going to be in the high rpm's.

So you can switch between the two setups. Keep the WOT for racing. Street tune to get better AF Ratio and better gas mileage on the street.


Modified by jdmspoonitr at 1:24 PM 11/21/2003

 

good ****

street tuning is for driveability. plain and simple. u can tune for WOT and max power all day long, but you car will still run like dog **** in the real world if you dont "street tune" it.

holler!

 

which was street tuned last night.

the correct way to "street tune" is on a loading dyno

 

Everyone seems to love Hondata.

Hopefully I'll have it someday.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CXr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> which was street tuned last night.

the correct way to "street tune" is on a loading dyno</TD></TR></TABLE>

why is that? if you got wideband O2 meter.. there no advantage of paying to street tune on the dyno other than tuning for whp..

 

why is that? if you got wideband O2 meter.. there no advantage of paying to street tune on the dyno other than tuning for whp..


sweet, you go and wreck the kar while making changes, let me know how it
goes


there no advantage of paying to street tune

then your going to the wrong tuner/dyno

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CXr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> sweet, you go and wreck the kar while making changes, let me know how it
goes
there no advantage of paying to street tune
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o.k... just wanted to see what you reason was..

when you stated "correct way" it just didn't sound like "safer way" to me.

i wasn't really reffering to WOT, more like partial thottle..

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CXr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> there no advantage of paying to street tune

then your going to the wrong tuner/dyno</TD></TR></TABLE>

now.. why quote parts of what i wrote?.. please read again..

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtec.dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you got wideband O2 meter.. there no advantage of paying to street tune on the dyno other than tuning for whp.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

street/dyno tune gets the best result.. street tune for partial throttle and dyno tune for hp..

 

all i meant is this:


partial throttle tuning is key and worth the money on the correct type of dyno

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CXr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">all i meant is this:


partial throttle tuning is key and worth the money on the correct type of dyno</TD></TR></TABLE>

o.k. a little missunderstanding then.. so yeah.. partial thotle tuning is worth the money.. as well as WOT tuning on the dyno for max hp.

 

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o.k. a little missunderstanding then.. so yeah.. partial thotle tuning is worth the money.. as well as WOT tuning on the dyno for max hp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
and you understand that you can do partial tuning on a dyno right? Just making sure because that would explain the confusion on the matter..

 

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and you understand that you can do partial tuning on a dyno right? Just making sure because that would explain the confusion on the matter..</TD></TR></TABLE>

i understand it can be done on the dyno..

 

cool, ill be waiting for the videos

 

It's not just more safe. It's a more comprehensive tune.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IN VTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's not just more safe. It's a more comprehensive tune.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Unless you have the tuner sitting in the passenger seat while you do the driving!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zygspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Unless you have the tuner sitting in the passenger seat while you do the driving! </TD></TR></TABLE>

I have the girl drive while I tune it myself!

My girl loves to drive the R as much as me!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CXr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> why is that? if you got wideband O2 meter.. there no advantage of paying to street tune on the dyno other than tuning for whp..


sweet, you go and wreck the kar while making changes, let me know how it
goes


there no advantage of paying to street tune

then your going to the wrong tuner/dyno</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes you can tune your car to a given AF ratio....but who is to say you could be making more power at a different ratio!!!!! trust me....i tuned with wide ban on street....with the person making changes....tuned car to 13.4 across board....guess what when we hit the dyno the next day....actually took more fuel out 13.8-14.2 was where most power was made....and we are talking 8-12 hps here in the midrange....so whoever says tune to a AF ratio is talking out their butt hole
yes you tune to a AF to be safe on the street...but if you want power you tune af to power....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chad &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

yes you can tune your car to a given AF ratio....but who is to say you could be making more power at a different ratio!!!!! trust me....i tuned with wide ban on street....with the person making changes....tuned car to 13.4 across board....guess what when we hit the dyno the next day....actually took more fuel out 13.8-14.2 was where most power was made....and we are talking 8-12 hps here in the midrange....so whoever says tune to a AF ratio is talking out their butt hole
yes you tune to a AF to be safe on the street...but if you want power you tune af to power....</TD></TR></TABLE>


I couldn't have said it better myself. Many allmotor cars seem to make the best whp at closer to 14:1 or 14.5:1 - which is real life, and in my own personal experience. BUT many on this board and others are proponents of the 13.5:1 is the best tune theory..... Not so for me. My car likes it lean.

 

Well I didn't want to start a tuning debate lol. Yes I know dyno tuning is always better for WOT tuning but I was just getting my car nice and smooth with a good AF ratio before I hit the dyno. The street tuning was done with a FJO (I think) wideband. The tuner was riding shotgun. We did third gear runs on the highway to get a good AF. The tuned for idle and steady state cruising speeds at various mph. The car now runs VERY smooth and for $40 it was worth it (yes $40). Tuning was done by Paul(I think his screen name is TurboB18C) who has a 450whp street driven teg (350whp during normal daily driving) so I think he has some clue to what he is doing. Even so I didn't do it as my final tune, I just wanted to get off my crappy base map and have a well running R again.

I would also like someone to tell me how a dyno can be better than the actual street for STREET tuning. How can the dyno be more accurate than the thing itself.

Besides I did go to the track and the car is running a little slower. Only trapping 98.9mph as a best so I know its not making as much power, but the dyno can help that and now with a good base stree tune it won't take as long. Besides my oil blow by probably doesn't help power production much

 

the dyno is less acurate in making maps than real life. unless you drag race on a dyno.

 

Ya, don't listen to the idiots that saying "street tuning" is bad. It's pretty clear that you're not tuning for the most power on the street.. You're tuning the car to run smoothly and SAFELY. That's the key. It definetly helps to have another person riding shotgun, now if you're on your own in traffic then I would think it's obvious to any retard that it's not safe.

While everyone always yaps about "tuning on the dyno" blah blah blah. Sure it's nice, but for most people it's really not THAT important to squeeze out a few more hp here and there at partial throttle for a few hundred dollars.

Bottom line is, "street tuning" gives you a very good base map for partial and WOT which is "good enough" for plenty of people out there. My car is boosted, and I've tried to hit the dyno but never get around to it. For a boosted car, all you need is a solid a/f curve and "safe" timing and you'll make plenty of power, as long as the rest of your car is in check. So what if I'm making a few less hp than someone else at the same boost level..? I'll run 1 more psi and it's even. Tuning on NA cars is obviously more of a pita because you also add in the factor of cam timing.

-Mike

EDIT: Just wanted to add one more thing.. So if tuning partial throttle on a dyno is so important to some people, do you guys actually make runs at different temperature ranges? Like 90F, 70F, 50F? Because on my hondata w/ 550's, it doesn't do such a good job in adjusting fuel according to temperature. I guess you guys must have a rom for each temperature range so you can get every last ounce of power.


Modified by SlowTeg at 6:54 PM 11/22/2003