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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 08:24 AM
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Default Toda Killer cams and ITB's (Round 1 tuning complete) plots inside.

Real quick:

The only change between runs was the removal of the stock TB/intake manifold, change from hondata to AEM EMS system and injectors. These were the ONLY changes!

NOTE: 13degree base timing for now and no changes to the ignition maps...yet and 100% stock head, thus the lower than expected peak numbers.

After the final tuning is complete, another 10-14ish HP will be on tap. She stills gets 27+mpg on the highway

Before some of you morons get all bent out of shape about the "numbers" THIS IS NOT A DYNOJET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so forget all you know about peak numbers.

[For comparison, a 6psi B18C1 yields about 206hp on our dyno.....so ITB's = yum, yum]

What IS important is the solid +20hp gains found in the midrange!!

for those that forgot, this is the setup
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=663978


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before and after




same plot as above but shown in "deltas" form, with the x-axis as the base line run.
30hp and 24ft/lbs gains!!!




first run over the last........tuning is your friend.



Look for a "How to install" coming to a magazine near you
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 08:31 AM
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thats some nice mid range

Len, yer car is still slow
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 08:32 AM
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Whoa.
Wow, excellent gains.
Could the gains be realized if you had not switched from Hondata to AEM EMS?
(with the same injectors obviously)
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 08:38 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RTW DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Len, yer car is still slow </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hahaha! Len is becoming H-T most flamed! Ill join in!

Good work Jack. Can you give us word on which mag? Also, i must tell you, last changes you made to Lens car were amazing. We rode around in it all night, and it was 10x more streetable than with the stock IM. Had alotta fun haulin ***, car HAULS ***. Good work as always!
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 08:42 AM
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and it was 10x more streetable than with the stock IM.

getting rid of the hondata is the contributing factor in that equation, not the IM.


thanks Ben


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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 08:46 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CXr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> getting rid of the hondata is the contributing factor in that equation, not the IM.

thanks Ben </TD></TR></TABLE>

I did notice a ton of wires in the floor! Ovcorse, looked like Len had a damn Home Entertainment Center in his floorboard.

Thanx Kack
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 08:51 AM
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jack, is this one EMS version 1.04 or .94?

wanna send me the map?
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 08:52 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RTW DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wanna send me the map? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Har!
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 08:53 AM
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V1.03


wanna send me the map?

LOL
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 08:54 AM
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hahaha its amazing how prized those maps are. People sell them ***** for like $200!
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 08:57 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RTW DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hahaha its amazing how prized those maps are. People sell them ***** for like $200!</TD></TR></TABLE>

All Day long!
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 09:02 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RTW DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hahaha its amazing how prized those maps are. People sell them ***** for like $200!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Har! My laptop is secured by a third party 26bit encryption. It's on a wireless network, don't want anyone to just snoop around eh?

For you computer geeks wanting to crack the code it's 26 characters 0-9 and letters A-F. Good Luck.
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 09:08 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by len &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For you computer geeks wanting to crack the code it's 26 characters 0-9 and letters A-F. Good Luck. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Does it distinguish between CAPS and lowercase?
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 09:12 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zygspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Does it distinguish between CAPS and lowercase? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea, what he said Len! If its not Case sensitve, your days are numbered buddy
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 09:16 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CXr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> and it was 10x more streetable than with the stock IM.

getting rid of the hondata is the contributing factor in that equation, not the IM.


thanks Ben


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Is the AEM just more suited to running ITB's than the Hondata?

Thanks.
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 09:18 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CW_97_ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Is the AEM just more suited to running ITB's than the Hondata?

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I would imagine that the biggest difference being that hondata needs a MAP sensor for fuel mapping, and EMS can do it off the throttle signal...i think...or something...


i have neither...so i could be totally off...

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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 09:19 AM
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Is the AEM just more suited to running ITB's than the Hondata?



not just for "running ITB's", it's better suited all around
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 10:20 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zygspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Does it distinguish between CAPS and lowercase? </TD></TR></TABLE>

No the letters aren't case sensitive Ed!
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 10:22 AM
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EDIT: Never mind I just did some more reading about the AEM unit and it is a true stand-alone that uses the factory sensors rather than needing to install new sensors.

Thanks. Is that becuase Hondata is a piggy-back setup where the AEM setup replaces the factory ECU? I would think that passing the information through the stock ECU would be a limiting factor.

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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 10:35 AM
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When's the next NE/SE meet? I wanna check this car out in person
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 11:01 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CW_97_ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks. Is that becuase Hondata is a piggy-back setup where the AEM setup replaces the factory ECU? I would think that passing the information through the stock ECU would be a limiting factor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You've just opened a can of worms. You shouldn't have said that...LoL.
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 11:09 AM
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WOW. Looks like I need to come by Baranco again for another ride
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 11:18 AM
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great gains , some peeps forget that theres a lot of different type of dyno's that dont read like a jet dyno (#'s wise) ...
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 11:36 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RTW DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wanna send me the map? </TD></TR></TABLE>

LMFAO.

nicey work Yacker.
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 12:04 PM
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Where be the street racin vids?

Or how bout a burn out with the hood off??
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