My understanding is this plugs into your harness and basically acts as a FMU since the kit comes with the 4 extra injectors.

Question being, do I need to use this if i have a hondata s200b, datalogging, software, pocket programmer, and romulator...along with a fjo wb?

I guess the 4 extra injectors kinda have me messed up on how fuel is handled exactly.

 

you have hondata and your asking if you need a piggyback?

why have hondata then?

Of course you dont!

 

go easy on him man, hes in iraq.. i probably wouldnt be thinknig straight myself if i was in iraq


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phreakmang &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My understanding is this plugs into your harness and basically acts as a FMU since the kit comes with the 4 extra injectors.

Question being, do I need to use this if i have a hondata s200b, datalogging, software, pocket programmer, and romulator...along with a fjo wb?

I guess the 4 extra injectors kinda have me messed up on how fuel is handled exactly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont think it would act like an FMU. Fmu's raise fuel pressure per pound of boost, so you can run stock injectors. I think it would just control the duty cycle of the extra injectors....

i dont see any reason that a mod like this would be nessecary with all that hondata stuff you listed(although ive never heard of the edelbrock computer. i just read about the preset one that comes with the kit)

1if you have all that hondata stuff you can get a bigger fuel pump and injectors and get it tuned.

2if you dont have hondata you can buy an inline pump and a fmu and use the stock injectors

3or if you dont have hondata and dont want to use the fmu, then you could buy the edelbrock manifold and the extra injectors and run it off of the edelbrock computer

i guess you could also do an afc hack with slightly bigger injectors and an fmu running a different disc (all fmu's ive ever heard of come with a 12:1 disc, unless different one is requested

hope that helps




Modified by FourceFed at 5:49 PM 11/20/2003

 

You either need something to control the extra injectors, or just plug them/ignore them, and do the managment via your primary injectors and hondata.

-PHiZ

 

Sorry I think you got my question wrong.

I do have the full hondata package already. I also have the edelbrock turbo kit.

Now, for the installation article I read on it you plug in the, like fourcefed said, preset computer that I was guessing controls the extra 4 injectors.

My question was, do i need to use this for sure to control those 4 other injectors? Or can the hondata be used...and if I do need to use the preset computer am I still safe in changing settings of my stock ecu?

 

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-PHiZ</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ah, thanks Phiz thats what i was wondering. I want to take the kit beyond the limits that the factory has set on it. Hopefully see if i can't push at least 12psi.

 

yep, now that i know your setup it makes it easier.

1ditch the edelbrock computer and use the hondata for tuning. Also you should consider some 440cc injectors, and possibly a bigger pump.

2another alternative would be to ditch the hondata and use an AIC for the extra injectors from edelbrock.(although it would make no sense to do so)

right so off of my tangent. go with #1

 

Ok so basically just ditch the extra injectors that came with the intake mani, go with some larger one's for my primary and just tune it using them.

I could also just swap the injectors that came with the kit over to the other side of the manifold i suppose, should work.

 

The november issue of the US edition of Sport Compact Car (pg.165) has an article on that kit. They say that the turbo (a Garrett GT28R) will make power up through 16-18 PSI. However, they also experienced the wastegate sticking open and putting a see-through hole in their block

So, if you ditch the injectors, how do you think you would go about it? Leave them in there, just not hooked up? Insert a machined plug?

I'm imagining in a perfect world, edelbrock would have designed the manifold and flow-tested with the injectors factored into the equation...

-PHiZ

 

Now i'm starting to confuse myself even.

Is the intake manifold that comes with their turbo kit's different from the one that they sell seperately?

If they are the same then how are those people hooking it up? From my understanding the IM has slots for all 8 injectors, 4 on each side. Maybe this is just for the one that comes with the kit itself.

Edit: It comes with a secondary fuel rail and 4 additional injectors.

 

The d16 intake manifold they sell is the same as the one in the kit. I plan on purchasing it for use with my custom turbo. You don't need their piggyback solution. I would recommend dealing with the wastegate problem though - your wastegate is worthy to spend some bucks on, as are the vaccuum hoses. I'm going to try and use a megasquirt (free EFI) derivative to control the extra injectors, and probably a BTM to retard under boost.

If you have hondata, you don't need to use the extra injectors - just get bigger ones. There are some good reasons to run them, though. Not sure why you got the kit if you plan on running a hondata setup. Plugging the injectors with something metal will work fine - they're angled against the flow so it is unlikely you'd interfere with the flow. I believe Edelbrock has plugs for the holes.

 

To clarify, there is a fuel rail underneath the mani, and then one that mounts in a "stock" location. On all the press photos of the kit, you are seeing the underside (which is why for the first couple months when photo's we're leaking out, i was wondering if they flipped the location of the throttle body around...

-PHiZ

 

easy enough.

drop the extra injectors, plug the holes, run perhaps 550cc injectors and upgrade to a tial 38mm wastegate?

 

The edelbrock computer is actually a LINK Engine Management system. I spoke with the Edelbrock guys at SEMA 2 weeks ago... And here is a part of our conversation:
Me: so can the LINK system that the edelbrock kit comes with be modified and used as the real deal LINK?
Him: The kit is tuned for safe power to be emissions and CARB legal with its preprogrammed settings
Me: well lets say I dont care about "Street Legal" settings... Is it possible to re-tune it with new calibrations for higher boost?
Him: **Looks around**
Him: no. **Shaking his head yes**
Me: ahhh... I see says the blind man to his deaf wife as they walk past the fish market
Him: **Smirks** any other questions?
Me: No thanks... That was my main one **Smirks**

So there is your answer... You have a LINK management system... if you can find out what is needed to reprogram it, you can use that... Unofficially of course...

 

Two options to tune the piggyback...

1) buy the Serial Link ($70) and pop the cover off the piggyback and plug the box to a laptop. Download the software from Link....and tune away

2) buy the hand held programmer ($250) and plug it into the piggyback, and tune away, no laptop needed.

No, you don't need to use the piggyback if you have engine management already, but you'd have to tune the system and disconnect the 4 extra injectors. Save some money and buy the open-track turbo kit, thats due out in a few months. Its basicly the same kit, just no fuel management or extra injectors.

 

where can we download this "link" software?

-PHiZ

 

http://www.link-electro.co.nz/pclink_software.html