I had taken the head off and got new valves put in and just got everthing back together and gave it a test drive everthing was fine but the battery was dead. So I let it charge for about a hour and tried to crank it it would turn over but not crank
I was looking at the cam gears and noticed that the intake cam was not moving.
The timing belt was turning and the exhaust cam was turning. anyone know what the problem may be?


Modified by ITR #1202 at 3:21 PM 11/20/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR #1202 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The timeing belt was turning and the exhaust cam was turning. anyone know what the problem may be?</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Which cam gears, obviously it's broken or the fasteners all backed out.

 

How would only one cam be turning. what happened to the teeth on the timing belt?

 

I dont know. The teeth on the belt are good.

 

Is there a woodruff key (item 23) in the cam/camgear interface? Perhaps it was not installed?

 

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Was the cam gear turning and not the cam itself (or not even the cam gear as you stated above)?

What cams/gears do you have, if not stock?

 

yeah both was not turning cam and gear. their stock btw

 

That doesn't even seem possible...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR #1202 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah both was not turning cam and gear. their stock btw</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hmmm ... belt tension problem?, maybe it's just sliding over the intake.
Reset the belt tension (easy fix, hopefully your only problem).

Otherwise, might be that something is jamming your intake cam to keep it from physically rotating (jammed valve or something else between one of the lobes and the head). Something to consider since you've just had something done in that area, though I'd check belt tension first to be sure. Good luck. Ed

 

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Hmmm ... belt tension problem?, maybe it's just sliding over the intake.
Reset the belt tension (easy fix, hopefully your only problem).

Otherwise, might be that something is jamming your intake cam to keep it from physically rotating (jammed valve or something else between one of the lobes and the head). Something to consider since you've just had something done in that area, though I'd check belt tension first to be sure. Good luck. Ed
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tension could be it. take off the VC and turn the crank by hand. you should be able to see what the problem is. Hopefully, nothing hit during your testing so far.. as for a jammed cam, I'm doubting that only because I can't imagine a tight tbelt liking that for long.. I'd imagine some sort of noise would emit that would instantly indicate a problem. However, never having done such a thing (jam a cam into one place) I can't say that for sure.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR #1202 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had taken the head off and got new valves put in and just got everthing back together and gave it a test drive everthing was fine but the battery was dead. So I let it charge for about a hour and tried to crank it it would turn over but not crank
I was looking at the cam gears and noticed that the intake cam was not moving.
The timing belt was turning and the exhaust cam was turning. anyone know what the problem may be?


Modified by ITR #1202 at 3:21 PM 11/20/2003</TD></TR></TABLE>


That doesnt make any sense. . .how can the timing belt and exhaust cam turn, without the intake cam turn. It's impossible, unless the timing belt is skipping over teeth.

 

Maybe he is running one of them new fancy pants cam gears that have no teeth

 

yeah seriously..

this is NOT PHISICALLY POSSIBLE

if the belt has its teeth in both cam gears,
and the belt is moving, then BOTH GEARS WILL TURN, or NOTHING WILL TURN

the only possibility(and this is far fetched) is that maybe the belt could be so loose that its slipping over one of the cam gears.. and the belts teeth arent actually going into the camgears teeth.

BUT, if you couldnt see this happening visually, immediately.. then I duno wtf is wrong with you.

I think he is just discribing something wrong.

 

basically, the bottom line is...

belt teeth cant move THROUGH cam gear teeth.

 

Dude, hope you didn't bend any valves while crankin' it over. I would take the cam out and recheck the valves, make sure everything is fine. And redo the timing on the TB. Retension the belt and crank it over manually by hand first

 

DID YOU PUT THE KEY WAYS BACK IN?????


how would car run without one of the cams turning?????????????? not possible is it?

maybe it's that new product from APC.....CAM NONE SPINNERS!!! makes look like engine isn't running.....

 

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belt teeth cant move THROUGH cam gear teeth.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the teeth on the belt our moving over the cam but the belt is tight.
hey beats the hell out of me? i don't know whats wrong
when I get off work im gonna check it out again

 

you must have a really slow reaction to things. there is no way only one cam gear will turn and the motor just keeps running. dont even worry about it if the car runs fine.


Modified by myhatchrips at 10:16 AM 11/21/2003

 

the motor wasn't running with one cam turning

like I said in the first post it would not crank

 

Take the belt of and try to turn the cam over with a rachet. Could have possibly

put the intake cam in backwards it only goes in one way I know I did it once

I never tried to start the car but when I was going to turn it by hand to line the

cam gears. I dont know how the timing belt would be slipping over the intake cam

though, just something to check. Also you need a new timing belt now anyways if

its been slipping over the intake cam.

 

Remove your distributor and turn the keyway 180 degrees, reinstall distributor and hope you didnt mess anything up.

 

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the teeth on the belt our moving over the cam but the belt is tight.
hey beats the hell out of me? i don't know whats wrong
when I get off work im gonna check it out again</TD></TR></TABLE>

If the belt is tight, then there is NO WAY this is possible. Assuming you do have a cam gear and not a bearing bolted to the end of the belt for the belt to ride on lol

 

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This has NOTHING to do with it. According to his repeated statements, the CAM GEAR attached to the intake cam is not turning. The distributor has nothing to do with this.

 

.....take video and post it here.

There is no way it could be doing what you are describing - however inaccurately.....