i considered swapping out my neuspeed race springs for the GC perch style springs ..... my question is do you think 10kg front and 12kg rear is too much ..... the shocks im on are koni yellows for an ITR

 

i was using those spring rates on Tein RA on a 98 integra coupe, and I ran it without a rear sway bar without problems.

Its pretty stiff for street, but as long as you can bear it, on nice patches of road, or on the track, its really nice. Not sure if this is cause of the spring rate choice, or the damper as well.

However, just make sure that your Koni's are able to operate springs in that rate range.

 

GC perch style springs

GC and Koni's are total chit if you want to run "real" spring rates..


save you $$ and purchase a real shock/spring setup.

 

depends on what you're gonna be doing with the car.

it'll be pretty harsh for a DD.

 

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GC and Koni's are total chit if you want to run "real" spring rates..


save you $$ and purchase a real shock/spring setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>

really? you might want to present some emprical evidence before you go spouting off your opinions.

nate - runs "fake" spring rates on the street with koni's and gc's and know's that to buy something truly better would require 3 to 4 times the cash outlay

 

really? you might want to present some emprical evidence before you go spouting off your opinions.

nate - runs "fake" spring rates on the street with koni's and gc's and know's that to buy something truly better would require 3 to 4 times the cash outlay



Y? I'll opt to not waste my time proving a pointless point to you. After all the broken perches and ruptured seals that I have seen, I'll firmly stick to my above post.

GC and Koni's are total chit

Once you drive on a set of "real" coilovers, you'll never go back

 

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Then why bother posting that they're total **** in the first place?

 

trying to keep peeps from running too stiff a rate on them...

 

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****** stunna...that is, unless your speaking of the gooey marshmellow goodness.

 

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****** stunna...that is, unless your speaking of the gooey marshmellow goodness.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Mmmmm

 

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Show me the "superior" product for the weekend hack (autox/hpde) that can be had for under $800 then. (Koni - $500, GC - $300).

 

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... for the weekend hack.</TD></TR></TABLE>

for thew record, i saw these 'splintered and cracked' GC sleeves as well. This set made their home on a 97ish coupe....street *****, show blinger. Im 'positive' he's not driving as hard as your average hpde/conecrusher is.

shocks were stock...dont know if this fits into the equation at all, but the GC sleeve does not 'ride' perfectly flush on the spring seat with these stock units.


nick, who adds a little usefull info now and again....but im sure this will be ignored anyway.

 

I dont think the issue was stock shocks with GC sleeves, but thats not something i would do anyways. Its not an even seat on the inside and the shocks arent upto it.

 

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'even seat' = spring perch. and yes...you would be correct.

this 'kid' didnt have crazy spring rates....just off the shelf bullshit. Whats that 300# max?? Forgive my GC ignorance.

Either way, point is this kid was not running a 600# + spring....and they still failed. Car was not abnormally lowered, driven by an idiot, etc...


Not arguing...just pointing out the facts I know.


Nick, who rocks $1600 coilovers on an 800 dollar car

 

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Well, this idiot ( ) ran 600# springs, with OTS yellows, abnormally lowered, and driven hard on track with 225/45 kumho v700's... and didnt have any problems. I even did a little lawnmowing. I think it was a great setup for the money.

 

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This idiot crushes his fingers between the spring every time he makes adjustments to the previous idiot's (hehe j/k) previous suspension.

To stay on topic, 450#/500# springs on Konis feels a little more comfortable than 340/186# springs on Tokico HPs. It will be bearable if your shocks can control them, unless you are using "up there" rates, where the car is a race car.

Edit: you sold the Teg? Nicely done.

 

450#/500# springs on Konis


these rates are rather low, I'm speaking of 12K and up type rates

 

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Well, this idiot ( ) ran 600# springs, with OTS yellows, abnormally lowered, and driven hard on track with 225/45 kumho v700's... and didnt have any problems. I even did a little lawnmowing. I think it was a great setup for the money.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, there ya go

Thats what makes this a great country...you do what you want brotha!

For my info, do the konis have a similar spring perch compared to that of the stock honda shock? or is there enough 'flat' area for the GC perch to ride (ie: make full contact with the lowere portion of the perch) ?

Ive actually never seen a 'ots koni' before....guess ive been sheltered in Circle track hell. LOL

 

yep. i ran 600/500 on ots koni's with gc sleeves, daily driven year round. that setup was good enough for 3rd at nationals on my first try. i also daily drive my current 700/800 setup with revalved koni's and gc sleeves. i've had zero problems with neither the shocks nor the sleeves to date. and the one problem i had with a shock (a problem that was not performance related) was rectified at no additional cost to me, in a very timely and hassle free manner. i didn't even have to remove the offending shock from my car and wait for the new shock to arrive. i received the new shock first and merely swapped bad for good. zero downtime is big in my book, and excellent customer service (thanks Lee!) is priceless.

nate - who thinks people who don't have a clue should really keep their big mouth shut

 

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Well, there ya go

Thats what makes this a great country...you do what you want brotha!

For my info, do the konis have a similar spring perch compared to that of the stock honda shock? or is there enough 'flat' area for the GC perch to ride (ie: make full contact with the lowere portion of the perch) ?

Ive actually never seen a 'ots koni' before....guess ive been sheltered in Circle track hell. LOL</TD></TR></TABLE>

the koni's come with a stamped steel perch that sits on a snap ring on the shock body itself and works with the factory springs as well as most ots lowering springs. the ground control sleeves can be bought with an adapter that engages this snap ring, thus eliminating the need for the perch altogether. a very tidy setup. (i'm sure someone can post pics. rj?)

nate

 

who thinks people who don't have a clue should really keep their big mouth shut


Yep, some of us have no idea what we are talking about.......

 

the koni's come with a stamped steel perch that sits on a snap ring on the shock body itself and works with the factory springs as well as most ots lowering springs. the ground control sleeves can be bought with an adapter that engages this snap ring, thus eliminating the need for the perch altogether. a very tidy setup


cool, ask Corey J and Loynel K how "tidy" that setup is.


Later

 

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Jack, so which is it?

Some of us cant afford the so-called "real" coil-overs and the koni+gc combo is a great budget solution, IMO.

I dont think anyone ever said that Konis were the absolute best choice for running "12K and up" springs. Maybe penske and moton.

I dont think corey would've had any trouble with his setup if warren hadnt tried to mow most of lawn surrounding south bend.

 

i've heard just as many complaints about "real" coil-overs as I have with threaded sleeve over shock combo's. everything from the adjustment function not changing anything to just plain not having the right valving for the job.

you pick a spring, and from there it's a pretty easy deal to figure out the force the shock will see and get the appropriate valving.

thousands of club racers and autoXer's can't be wrong, the combo works. may not be totally JDM-sweet, but it works.

 

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ouch. that hurt my feelings.

still looking for that imperical evidence though. PROVE ME WRONG!!! don't sit behind your monitor throwing taunts and spouting off bull-**** opinions about the quality of a product without any proof to back-up your claim. if ya can't supply proof, retract your claim and move on.

nate