which ones are better for b16 all motor power?
edit: which ones are easier to tune?

 

get ctr's
and if your willing to spend the money for sk stage 1's then get something that will give you more power like stage 2's

 

I disagree, unless you're willing to spend the money to build up your block, go with stage 1's, but, the CTRs are easier to tune.

 

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and if your willing to spend the money for sk stage 1's then get something that will give you more power like stage 2's</TD></TR></TABLE>

Skunk 2s wouldn't be worth it unless he wanted to go higher compression.

 

bump
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CTR- if u have a chance check out . TPR. issue2. they have a dyno comparison
ctr and skunk stage 2. good stuff chk it for ur self. then take it from there.

 

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and if your willing to spend the money for sk stage 1's then get something that will give you more power like stage 2's</TD></TR></TABLE>

Comparing those cams is like comparing apples and oranges, They are just good for diffrent motors, you need higher compression to really take advantage of those Stage 2's

but as for the question at hand, i think a CTR intake cam even would do good with tuning.

-sander

 

CTR's easy tuning. Sk2 stage1 ahh better off going with stage2 if you have high CR...

 

I am going with the s2s2 cams, I have a b16 with 10.2 CR and do you guys think 10.2 CR is enough to run those stage 2 cams.

I think the stock compression will be sufficient to run those cams. I know I will get more power with 11:1 CR, but I think I will still see good HP gains even with the stock compression.

 

you are def. going to need more compression.

 

i dont think so. i think u need 11.5-13 to see good gains with those cams. otherwise your just overcamming your motor.

 

i had a similiar thread going...will ctr pistons in a b16 w/ a gsr head...i think the compression would be 11.1-11.3ish...is that good enuff for skunk2 stage 2 cams?

 

the cams are just one important part of the whole scheme

stage 1's are really good cams. they can easily support 210whp with a good bottom end, and good flowing intake manifold, ported head, and header

 

sorry to jack ur thread.
Which brings me to this. I am getting some CTR int/exh. cams put in my B16. I will be all motor for a few months, but going Turbo. What do you have to tune with an all motor car other than cam gears? i just want power without going to the dyno.. can i just advance the intake cam 2-3* and exhaust -1, and for sure make power? Im running an SI ECU (1999 Civic SI is the car). Thats probably the ONLY thing i can tune my self. If i just tune with cam gears with this, will i hurt anything? or do i have to change other things? thanks.

 

every motor is different, if you're not goin to take it to a dyno then just leave the cams at 0 0

 

Not CTR but you get the idea.Not my car by the way.

 

The S2S1's are more aggressive than the CTRs and don't necessarily require a compression bump. BOTH cams will both benefit from a compression bump. You will experience a loss in cranking pressure using both cams. I believe the inlet valve closes ABDC at the same degree on both cams. It all depends how much you're willing to spend. With the s2s1's you don't need to upgrade the valvetrain just like the CTR's, but it is recommended. Even slight valve float isn't very nice to your engine. S2S2's would definitely need the bump in compression to see them perform well, along with some tuning. Bigger the cam you go, the more tuning you'll need to do.

 

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aren't the CTR/ITR exhaust cams the same?

 

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aren't the CTR/ITR exhaust cams the same?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I could be wrong but I think the CTR intake cam is a little more aggresive than the ITR.

 

the CTR intake cam is a little more aggressive... the EXHAUST cams, which is what he was asking about, are the same though. same part # straight from honda as proof.

 

You really need high compression(11.8+ to run the s2s2s), whereas you can get S2S1s and run on stock compression or 10.8 and still make more power then ITR or CTRs. The ITR/CTR are more like a half stage, the skunk2 stage ones are about as agressive over the ITRs as the ITRs are over the stock gsrs.

 

s2s1's are the way to go...thats what im getting for my b16..right after i buy my itb's (1 week to go)

 

I pickup like 3-5 HP over CTR cams on my ITR motor. Mostly noticed in the midrange but tuning was a key to get them to make power.

The same ones are for sale now, have about 3-4 k on them.

Let me know,
Bert

 

*WARNING* B16's don't like big cams. i think CTR's are a very good choice for the 16, and, the added torque of the CTR's will help out the 16's small displacement. most people think that just because the b16 is designed to sustain high rpm, means it should be revved out of the roof. i've found good success with the b16, by focusing my attention on the lack of tq issue (ported p30 intake manifold really, really helped down low and in the mid). now, my 16 doesn't feel dead below 5K. CTR's, headwork, good tuning, good intake manifold and 8600rpm seems to work amazing for me.

 

Just curious. I was looking at this web site and they dynos with various settings with the CTR's. The best results throughout the powerband were with +3/0. This was with a turbo. Will you still get good results with these setting in an all motor setup? or is it this totally different tuning? I may even try +3/-1 or +2/-1.. im not sure. With the settings of 0/+3 they had shitty low end and good top end. But thats another story.