OK Here's the Scoop. I have heard great things from both Rick Solis from Import Builders, and Doulik Ind. from EF1.

Their Products are within 25 dollars of each other (not going to name who's costs more)

IB Spec comes with SS Valves, Dual Valvesprings, and Titanium Retainers.

EF-1 comes with Manley valves + EF1 Retainers and Valvesprings.

Let me know your thoughts, this is it, No other choices for me guys and gals.

 

u just love posting polls dont ya lol

 

You will not find a single person that has tried both valve trains. This thread is pointless.

 

OK well, How about whoever has either of the two Valvetrains in their cars, please let me know what you think of them, pros and cons.

As for posting so many polls, SORRY, I got a little carried away, won't happen again. I did, however, get the memo about those TPS reports!

 

Lol, the only people that have our valve train are those who have our full motor packages... Up untill just recently they were custom made per build and aplication... They have just recently been available to the retail public so I doubt their will be a lot of testimonials on IB's stuff... look at our IB motors section on the IR site... thats a good testimonial... They pretty much all run our valve train with the exception of a few...

So the pole should heavily reflect EF-1s stuff... We are going to try and do a comparison with all the market has to offer soon... If time prohibits that is... Lately we havent even had the time to do little things such as... eating, sleeping, things like that... Hopefully we can get some time set aside for the comparison... I think wed open some eyes and turn some heads with the things we got going for us

 

how much can you really say about valves, valvesprings and retainers?

 

i have personally seen the ef-1, alaniz, portflow, jun, but not IB's valvetrain..
alaniz and portflow = same thing..
ef-1 valvetrain was superior to all.
i believe the IB valvetrain was either not available at the time or i dunno what the story..but even Jerry used the ef-1 valvetrain.

 

ef-1 = dual valve springs too...just to clarify.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecvoodoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You will not find a single person that has tried both valve trains. This thread is pointless.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Steve Sakai says he has.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by satan_srv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how much can you really say about valves, valvesprings and retainers?</TD></TR></TABLE>
what are you implying?

before i had busted rev valves, all valves seemed the same to me. but when i started learning ALOT more, then you will see how each style of valve is very unique. the material, back cut of the valve, stem design and coatings all make a difference

with a retainers, its not techincally moving relative to the valve. as long as the retainer doesnt wiggle within the spring, give proper spring height, and will last at high rpm. all makes a difference.

with springs, i honestly dont know enough. but all springs are not created equal, and just spring pressure does not tell the whole story.
maybe someone who has tested alot of valve springs can chime in.

 

Give it about 3-4 months then put this thing up again... Id like to see the results then when our stuff is out there, keep in mind it was just available to the retail public like 2 weeks ago

And if Im not mistaken Jerry isnt running EF-1 valve train, just the manley valves that Camp gave him along with a free set of EF-1 spark plugs... If Im wrong someone chime in and let me know... This was before IB's valves were available... I talked to Jerry about it a while ago before Pamona and thats what he told me


Modified by RS_H22 at 7:23 AM 11/17/2003

 

Ill be posting the specs for IB valve train on monday...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bob-DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what are you implying?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm implying that no one does enough real research to give a useful opinion on what is better or not. The extent of most people's knowledge seems to be 'well they didn't drop a valve or break so they must be good". Just an observation, I'm sure there are a lot of differences, but few that can actually speak to them.

 

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I'm implying that no one does enough real research to give a useful opinion on what is better or not. The extent of most people's knowledge seems to be 'well they didn't drop a valve or break so they must be good". Just an observation, I'm sure there are a lot of differences, but few that can actually speak to them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thank god someone brought that up!!!

for instance with my old portflow spring/retainer and rev valve setup. for under 12k miles there werent any apperant problems. but not that much after i had mucho problems i discovered.

every one always says "no problems yet" but they really mean "my car still runs ok"
there is a big *** difference between something working properly, and just working enough to make the car run.

i agree with you that people need to go out and test this stuff on their own, or whatnot. and not trust someone that says "i like brand xx, cause it still works on my car and i havent found any problems."

hey jeff, rocket, brad, or anyone else. can someone chime in what on what things to look for in a good valvespring besides its spring pressure, and coil binding specs.

 

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Unfortunately Jeff is not a member of H-T any longer... He still looks over the H-T forums and tries to help people out via e-mail when he can...

Your very right man, I agree 100%... Take headers for example... You always see a guy with brand X swear that header is the best on the market... Whenever you see "what header is best" threads you see tons of that "Brand X is the best" stuff... But have these guys ever owned brand Y or brand Z to determine that brand X is in fact the best? No, of course not... They just spent around $1000 on a header and since it made some decent power over a $290 DC it has to be the best... I mean, they just spent $1000 and if they spent that much its the best... right? Youll never see anyone recomend anything contridictory to what they have, especially if they spent big $$$ on it... Thats been my experience anyway...

Same goes for valve train... you cant say this is best if youve never had anything else to test it against... Weve seen just about every single kind of valve spring and retainer there is on the market, same goes for valves... But were not going to say this brand and that brand sux and this is the best because in reality like you said Bob, its not going to make a difference in peoples decisions when they base "the best" on "my cars still running fine with them, Ive had no problems at all"

 

i agree that this thread is pointless. None of them are superior than the other. I'm sure they both work well in many applications but in certain cases, both might not be sufficient for a really unique setup.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RS_H22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your very right man, I agree 100%... Take headers for example... You always see a guy with brand X swear that header is the best on the market... Whenever you see "what header is best" threads you see tons of that "Brand X is the best" stuff... But have these guys ever owned brand Y or brand Z to determine that brand X is in fact the best? No, of course not... They just spent around $1000 on a header and since it made some decent power over a $290 DC it has to be the best... I mean, they just spent $1000 and if they spent that much its the best... right? Youll never see anyone recomend anything contridictory to what they have, especially if they spent big $$$ on it... Thats been my experience anyway...

Same goes for valve train... you cant say this is best if youve never had anything else to test it against... Weve seen just about every single kind of valve spring and retainer there is on the market, same goes for valves... But were not going to say this brand and that brand sux and this is the best because in reality like you said Bob, its not going to make a difference in peoples decisions when they base "the best" on "my cars still running fine with them, Ive had no problems at all"</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EVOL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but even Jerry used the ef-1 valvetrain.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Jerry doesn't use the ef-1 valvetrain.

 

Haven't put on my EF-1 valve springs and retainers, but they definately look really high quality and I have only heard good things about them. Rev. to 10K

 

We use SuperTech valve springs and titanium retainers and shift at 10,200 rpm without any valve float. Never have broken a spring or retainer. Other than checking seat pressure, open pressure and coil bind, there is not much more the average person can check in a valve spring. There are many other things that can be checked with sophisticated equipment.