as it says!! Please help me out. I havent payed, I want to make sure i got the right thing first. any special markings?

thanks

 

hm.. if I were you, I'd have looked up pictures of the spoon cams on websites/stores/etc before buying THEN asking.. But there's gotta be pics around here I've seen spoon cams for sale as them for pics.

 

wow, i didnt know spoon made cams (at least i didnt think they did, its late so maybe i knew)

 

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Yeah, they actually do! They are somewhat similar to Toda Spec A's. I guess its a good cam for just tootin' around town and some m4d l0ud 3rd gear vtek.

 

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Sure they did.
http://www.aj-racing.com/spoon....html

 

Spoon does have cams. They look like oem cams except the lobes are larger.

 

i will just pretent i knew

 

get your calipers out and measure the distance from the base circle to the middle of the VTEC lobe at the highest point and multiply it by the rocker arm ratio (1.54 for the VTEC lobe...1.49 for the nonVTEC lobe BTW) and compare it to our VTEC cams spec sheet over at team-integra.net in the articles performance engine internals section which has the spec for the Spoon VTEC lobe lift.

if the 2 don't jive then you got "boned" as people like to say around here.

I'd be examining it for base circle diameter, scores, cracks, chips (like at the distributor notch on the ontake cam). Your Helms manual shows you how to inspect cams.

man has things gone down the toilet around here in terms of people helping out on tech info...


Modified by Michael Delaney at 12:26 PM 11/13/2003

 

I remebered I lost power on those spoon cams, that was back in 98. Took me forever to tune them, lost on mid range, and top end compare to ITR cams 180 whp with cam gears and I think 170 with the spoon cams. Took them off and switched to the JUN 3's.

Just for your information.

Dennis

 

uh...I think it's water under the bridge for him though Dennis...he already bought them....

 

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But it's Spoon y0!

 

I've known people to gain a lot of power from these cams but then again, it could be in the tuning.

 

For sure they loss power, but it could be my tuning tho, but my tuning is pretty good at that time, even John Brown ask for my help. Did spoon make any other cams? the item number is different. I remember after that I called Ben Ma (ex owner of group 5 motorsports) and he told me they are more for b16a. But he could be wrong too.

Dennis

 

That is true. I believe they are more for the b16 but I really haven't any loss with those cams.

It could be other things your engine is running.

I do believe you though but it just seems very odd.

Edit: dennis #2

 

At tht time all I have was JG cam gears and a larger vtec selonoid, and a air intake. I pull 179.8 @ the wheels Jan 98

Dennis

 

So what was without the spoon cams?

What were you using to tune?

179.8 is pretty good.

 

I think after I install the spoon cams, I have the OOOOLDD school apexi itc & afc, the old school **** design.. , those are pretty nice back in the days.. they are a bitxh to tune, again it could be me.. I never got the full potential out of those apexi controllers.

Dennis

 

Spoon Cams
JDM 4-1 header
high flow cat
ITR exhaust
AEM Cam Gears
B&M FPR
AEM Intake
Fields
RC 310 injectors

188-190hp (A lot of midrange gain) on dynojet (Way back in the day, lost the dynosheet so dont ask for it)

 

That isn't that bad for spoon cams. You said it made more power with ITR cams?

 

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Dennis</TD></TR></TABLE>


Whats a larger VTEC solenoid

 

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I didnt say that, Yunisden R did

I believe it was 179-181hp (Again, this was a long time ago and I lost the dyno sheets) with CTR Intake cam/ITR Exhaust cam.

 

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On the JDM motors the vtec solenoid iis like twice the diameter than the usdm one, I was told that it doesnt really do anything though

 

Weird, thats new to me.

But, all the solenoid does is push the pins inside the rockers to lock them, Wouldnt a smaller solenoid be better in this situation? (like putting your finger over the gardern hose??)

 

Ben Ma of AEBS..

ah yes,..I think when he said b16a it implies that the b18c5 is comparable.
both PR3 heads right?

Toda's stuff is b16a...but surely you're not telling me that their cams are not b18c5 suitable?

You guys know I'm not exactly a Spoon rah rah kinda guy but I do want to add some perspective to this discussion techwise. I don't sell Spoon. I don't use Spoon cams. In fact I think there's too much Spoon luvin here to the point of blind religious cult status. Anyway...I digress...

before Erick did his 10 sec. N/A thing he was playing around with engines and learning his craft and was just a regular guy like us. the exception being he learned a lot faster and he had some motorcycle and racing background for tech.

here's his b18c5 back then (before your time but during mine) with Spoon cams.



here's AJ Racing's "promotional" on the b18c5 with Spoon cams (yes I know it's not unbiased)



if there's lost power there then I'm missing something.

of note, pay attention to the CR.

if you ran on stock 10.6 CR, well, let's say the package wasn't buffed for making power. cylinder pressure is a huge issue here. And yes tuning as well.

 

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The larger Vtec solenoid works. I dynoed w and w/o the piece and the larger solenoid smooth out the power band all the way to the top. I didn't think it was going to work too. I don't remember gaining any power tho.

The spoon cams probably need all the other parts to fully gain power out of it.

179.8 with itr cams, JG cam gears, intake and a larger vtec solenoid took me a while to get that power.

I just find the dyno sheet, date : Feb 20 1998
Dynojet's model 248C
Temp was 89.6 F 29.92-0.90 in.hg 6ft CF = 1.02 3rd gear base run
180.5 and 129.4 torque with intake, larger solenoid, JG gears ext -3 int +3 and tanabe exhaust. and ran a 14.22 @98 in moroso June 98.

Dennis





Modified by Yunisden R at 3:49 PM 11/14/2003