i have a gsr block (balanced and blueprinted, cyl walls honed) .25mm overbored jdm itr pistons, shotpeened rods, skunk2 stage2 cams/retainers/valves/springs, skunk2 IM, b16 p&p head... could the ef1 cams give me good gains over the skunk2 stage 2's that i have now? and does anyone have dyno charts? i really want info on these as i need more power, like we all do!!

 

I dont know a lot about those cams, but im curious on what kind of power your making with your current set up? I have a similar set up but in a b16a2

 

i think those will be a little to big of a cam for your set up, m24s are some nasty cams, you might wanna look at the 23s or 22s, i have heard they make some good power all around

 

im waiting to get it dyno'ed with my hondata s200 so im not sure on the numbers.. i also have a jdm itr tranny w/lsd/4.785fd, and act clutch/lightened flywheel + i/h/e, but im not sure on my numbers... i'll look into the 23's, but id like to see some dyno's and more info on these thanks for the replies

 

i'll have a dyno of these in a few weeks..as long as IB can provide me with the pistons i want.. 12.1cr 84mm gsr, jg pnp head, an-r header, victor x manifold, 68mm tb, chipped ecu , 370cc injectors and a vafc

 

i should have a dyno of them real soon, i'm dropping my motor in next week then getting it tuned.

 

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victor x manifold?? that thing won't let you see power gain till like past 7k..everywhere below that is usually a loss unless you're FI

 

m24 is way too big for your setup

you need to have 2.0L+ and 12:+ cr

your stage 2's are even bigger than you need prolly. you maybe gained 1-3.5 whp up top compared to stage 1's

spend your money else where

what header do you have?
unless you have a good header (not jdm 4-1) then you can easily make more power elsewhere

 

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victor x manifold?? that thing won't let you see power gain till like past 7k..everywhere below that is usually a loss unless you're FI</TD></TR></TABLE>
he knows, he got it with his swap that he bought. he gona prolly get anohter one soon when more gsr IM's come out

 

i think u need a lot higher compression then what u got to run that m24's

 

i can't wait to see all these dynos


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bob-DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">m24 is way too big for your setup

you need to have 2.0L+ and 12:+ cr

your stage 2's are even bigger than you need prolly. you maybe gained 1-3.5 whp up top compared to stage 1's

spend your money else where

what header do you have?
unless you have a good header (not jdm 4-1) then you can easily make more power elsewhere</TD></TR></TABLE>

so then what kinds of gains would i see over my stage 2's? and would i see good gains from the 23's?

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thats one hell of a setup dude.. nice i have shitty dc 4-2-1 headers which do jack ****, and i was looking into headertech and a high flow cat (ive got stock cat)... but thats 700+ bucks... yes the ef1 cams are 750 bucks, but i could sell my stage 2's for around 600 or so.. i couldnt sell my dc for 600 lol

 

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The header will do a lot more for you than EF-1 cams since you already have a good cam setup. I would go with the header-tech or DTR header, I guarantee you won't be sorry.

 

you are wasting your time and money in getting cam shafts that wont do much of a difference

get a better header, with a true 2.5 exhaust then get it tuned. and call it a day

going with a bigger chamshaft will prolly just shift your power band up

 

are you sure i wouldnt be seeing much gains with m23 cams?

 

maybe 2-4 peak hp. not much every where else

you need high compression or a bigger displacement

you are only 11.0 cr: ? or around there?

 

actually im not quite sure what compression im running right now, im waiting to get it tuned (ive been waiting for 3 months.. ) i should be around mid 11's though, shouldnt i?

 

with a b16 head you should be at 11.0 assumming you are running a stock headgasket and your head isnt milled

i know someoen that has ajdm itr swap with a built head.

he had stage 2s with smsp header and tuned with hondata

he lost about 1-3whp from 7k to 8.5k going with stage 1's

the power is in having everything good on your setup.

just like on rocket sig. you need to have all the igredients to have a fast motor. not just big cams with mild compression and bad flowing intake and exhaust parts

if you want big power, go with a smsp, hytech, or another custom big tube header.

dont cry about the price, cause if you want to play with the big doggs and be fast, you need to pay to get there. speed costs money

edit: just from switching to a AEBS im that is mildly port and polished, or to a rlz intake manifold with a properly sized t-body. you will gain more than going with whatever brand cams, toda b's; jun 3's;

you might make more power way up top with bigger cams, but you want the biggest area under the curve. not just have a big peaky curve where your tq curve isnt flat

 

im thinking about runnning the m24's in mt setup 2.0 ls/vtec ...does anyone know what compression they work best with ...i was thinkin about 12.5. ...and as for a header i was thinking about goin with DTR or SMSP...

 

thanks for the info bob, nothin ever comes simple, does it? lol when i get a job, i'll look into headertech, but smsp is just wayyyy too costly

 

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at least 13.0 if i were going to do it.

if you are gona have a daily driver on pump gas then you can only prolly get away with sub 13 with 94 octane

otherwise m23 or m22 is plenty cam for a daily driven car

if you can afford the smsp header, go with that one.

 

A better IM may be beneficial. There are alot of gains to be made with a good IM.

Same goes for headers.

 

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at least 13.0 if i were going to do it.

if you are gona have a daily driver on pump gas then you can only prolly get away with sub 13 with 94 octane

otherwise m23 or m22 is plenty cam for a daily driven car

if you can afford the smsp header, go with that one.
</TD></TR></TABLE>that for the info ...if i do go for the m24's ill go for around 13.0 ..but if i go for the m23's ill prob have the compression around 12.5 ...and right now im decideing between the DTR header and the SMSP ...i think im goin to go with the SMSP ...is there a site where i can look more into the SMSP header ?

 

hmm so what cr is the m24's gfood for??rocket told me i;d be fine in the 11's but i was set on 12.1

 

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victor x manifold?? that thing won't let you see power gain till like past 7k..everywhere below that is usually a loss unless you're FI</TD></TR></TABLE>

oh well it was free what can i complain and i dont plan on making peak power below 7k so...

 

has anyone posted any real world dyno's of these cams yet?Im intrested in them....but i guess no one has come through on any numbers yet?