B20z block
Eagle H beam Rods
12:1 comp pistons

ITR head
Iceman intake
AN-R compact header
ITR intake man
STR fuel rail with Holley FPR
RC 310 CC (do i need bigger)
Walbro 255 lph
Spoon Cam gears
Eriks racing 70mm TB
apexi N1 catback with test pipe and resonator removed
apexi Vtec controller
please give all your opinions i wanna see 200+ and i wanna be in the 12's and still be able to drive to work everyday also please list any other parts i should change. i cant Use hondata cause there isnt any respectable tuners around here that i have to find yet.

 

I think that you will be able to get 200WHP depending on how well the motor is built. I think that tuning would be your key part of that setup.

 

what cams are you going to run

 

Ill be running ITR cams. the ITR head is stock. would the vafc be good enough for the tuning.

 

Why not Hondata?

 

might be just about 200 whp if tuned right

 

200whp shouldnt be a problem with some decent tuning...id get a gsr or type r block girdle too cause those walls are known to crack....some people dont seem to have problems sometimes then others do. It not worth the risk in my opinion. But yeah 200whp should be attainable. i knew a guy with a simalar set up just had ctr cams with everything you have and he dynod 210whp!


oppps just saw vx hatch

 

There isnt any one in my area that is familiar with Hondata so how would i get it tuned without a hell of a drive to Chicago or detroit

 

quote: "id get a gsr or type r block girdle too cause those walls are known to crack...."

?? how does the block gridle have anything to do w/ the cylinder walls?

and to answer your question, It'll be hard to get to the 200 mark, I say get some bigger cams, e.g skunk2 stageI or toda B, or dynamic cams. THink about it, the ctr's are for 1.8L, and they are known for midrange, not topend. Plus you've got a extra 200cc to fill. If peak power if what you are looking for, upgrade the cams.

 

tune it with a vafc my friend tuned his with v-afc and made 210whp with a similar set up.
As for silvercivic the b20 and b18a blocks dont have a block girdle....because there were not designed by honda to reved high, the block girdle minimizes high rpm vibration, that could cause the cylinder walls to crack. Also there are little or no difference between ctr and s2s1 cams

get a gsr block girdle or type r, or jim fab, and find a shop to LINE HONE the assembly....not manny shops can do this......new rod bolts would be a good idea too......probably a 500dollar investment that will allow you to rev high safely.


Modified by ekhybrd at 5:40 PM 11/6/2003

 

damn man 12:1 compresion is a bit much for daily driving you will need awsome tunning to be able to drive that on pumped gas. i dont think a vafc will cut it for that high of compression.

just my opinnion anyone second that

 

I may have to second that...my brother had an lsvtec set up w/ 12:1..blew it a week later...just a tad high for daily use...

 

Ill be running 95 octane all times. and 100 octane on race day

 

why wouldnt v-afc cut it? there are plenty of cars out there running v-afc with 12:1 compression on pump,go v-afc...maybe the tuners in your area arent to skilled at the v-afc tuning either. My friend with a coupe had 12:1 compression on 91 untuned and he had his motor for more than 6 months before it threw a rod. The top of his pistons were all rusted though from all the detonation.

 

You're doing something wrong if you don't hit 200. Let's just put it that way.

 

u will put out over 200 w/this setup for sure

 

trust me it is not hard to daily drive on 12.1 compression i have had my set-up in my sig for almost a year i put it in last xmas and u don't need hondata. people here on h-t swear hondata is the **** but i bet u 1/2 of them have never ever used it . i tried hondata but it always seem to hard for someone to tune it and i live in san diego and the only place that could give real good results was ib in la and the want like 150 hr and it could take anywhere from 2 to 4 hrs to get it tuned right
( but i never went) but i did take it to aebs here in san diego and they could never get it to run right so i just switched back to the v-afc and have been happy ever since

and by the way w/ that set-up if u really do have that set-up u soud not have a problem getting to 200 whp

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by streetdreams02 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">trust me it is not hard to daily drive on 12.1 compression i have had my set-up in my sig for almost a year i put it in last xmas and u don't need hondata. people here on h-t swear hondata is the **** but i bet u 1/2 of them have never ever used it . i tried hondata but it always seem to hard for someone to tune it and i live in san diego and the only place that could give real good results was ib in la and the want like 150 hr and it could take anywhere from 2 to 4 hrs to get it tuned right
( but i never went) but i did take it to aebs here in san diego and they could never get it to run right so i just switched back to the v-afc and have been happy ever since

and by the way w/ that set-up if u really do have that set-up u soud not have a problem getting to 200 whp </TD></TR></TABLE>
ya people have different opionons on hondata.
i think u can get 200 if tuned right

 

Look up Fullblown Racing.. They are here in indy. Rob I'm pretty sure sells hondata and can either tune or point you in the right direction of someone who can. Also ask IN Vtec on this site.. He is out of bloomington if I remember correctly and can maybe give you a hand in tuning the hondata. If all else fails call Indy Import and ask Justin or Tom where you could have it tuned by someone who is respectable.

 

200whp sounds like a realistic goal with that setup. But to run 12s with that setup, you better have a light car. What car is this motor going into?

 

there you go not reading again

 

it should be no problem hitting 200 whp. i have no problems with my 12.2:1 comp daily driver

 

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this scares me. my motor is almost done and i am putting 11.5:1 pistons in mine am i gonna have trouble on pump gas?

 

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this scares me. my motor is almost done and i am putting 11.5:1 pistons in mine am i gonna have trouble on pump gas?</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is what I am running untuned and I have no problems on 93 octane.

 

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That is what I am running untuned and I have no problems on 93 octane.</TD></TR></TABLE>

aight cool. thats good to know