Im having a big problem trying to decide what I want to do. Im thinking about puting a Type R head on my car and then running toda spec b's, endyn pistons, and other goodies, or should I run my b18b head, port it, and slap a endyn modded s/c on there? decisions, decisions. thanks in advance for the input.

 

N/A all the way! done right, more reliable than F/I. and IMO honda is not made for F/I.

 

When you said IMO hondas arent made for FI, obviously you were biased from the start, thats why you told him to go NA all the way.....more reliable than FI eh...

Our Honda engines arent made to rev to 10k rpm either.

NA is NOT as reliable as people think they are. RPM = ruins people's motors, which is true....NA puts more stress on the engine due to inertial loads of high rpm...while turbo puts stress via power load...inertial loads increases with RPM^2....BOTH create heat....which is bad in either case...

FI is dangerous because often times the install wasnt that perfect...people cheaped out on parts, or most commonly, the driver liked to turn up the boost and was foolish and blew it...didnt take care of it, but if done right....it's good.

In either case, DONT rush....DONT skimp out and buy cheap parts, inexpensive and cheap are different....DONT abuse it.....DO research.....DO listen from other's experience and make conclusions for yourself....NA, SC, T, are all good things, if done right and USED right


[Modified by Ricehornet, 3:29 PM 9/7/2001]

 

i say go fi...i wnat to gert a turbo, i love the power and the sound of the BOV

 

t u r b o. you'll never get the same feeling out of a N/A / Supercharged car. The sudden rush of boost kickin in and slammin you back in your seat as your tach flies to 8000 rpm. nuff said.

 

that's why i said IMO, and who says rev it to 10k?

i agree with you on not cheaping out on parts though. i think this is key. and also user abuse!

 

boost-there is no substitute

 

also, do you want to go straight or turn. You should figure that out 1st.

 

n/a is just as unreliable as turbo if not taken care of... except its slower...and ir u have a serious n/a car u wil be revving to 10k... hell i rev over 9k in my turbo car! the only thing i would have to add considering i would just be repeating ricehornet in my opinion would be to make sure whoever is doing your work knows what they are doing! and have done it before! i can make ur car fast... i know what im doing... hmmm... but i have never built a fast car yet... see where im going? dont trust people without knowing they have built something fast before... and if ur doing it yourself... make sure u really know what ur doing... or else ur motor WILL blow up

 

Do you want to drag ?
Do you want to auto-x?
Neither ?
Daily Driver?
How much $ do you have?
Start addressing some of these questions, and not only will we be able to help you more, but the answers will probably come to you on your own !
Be safe, be fast, just be getting the **** out of my way when I'm comin up behind you !

 

guess what i vote for...hehe

Tom

 

for the price its gonna cost u to go fast all motor, you could go alot faster with a turbo..

for the B18B, supercharger is not a good choice, i wanted to do a supercharger on my LS for a long time but i did ALOT of research and found out its not worth the money..

I also looked into allmotor LS/Vtec, the price to do it right was gonna cost as much as a turbo.. So i ended up thinken about turbo..

I did alot of research and i started to learn about all the positives of the B18B when it comes to Turbocharging..
things like its already got low compression, 9.2:1
LS transmission has longer gearing so u actually get to use your first gear
high lift cams create overlap, and with vtec u loose minor boost pressure between vtec switch over, but this can be solved easy with camgear tuning..
if u were to blow your motor, you could get a new one for less then a 1k dollars..
you can run higher boost on a LS, 8psi on stock injectors but ive heard of people boosting 13psi on stock motor with a proper fuel system..

there are alot of turbo B18B's on this forum.. do some research and decide what u want out of your car.. I would reccomend turbo everytime to anyone with a LS that is serious about making it fast..

 

I want a all purpose vehicle, i love twisties, we go to the drags on some weekends, it's my daily driver, and I want FAST!!!!!!!!!!. I want Awsome handleing. I want to stop good to. I don't want A little rice rocket that sounds like it has a **** load of bumble bees in it. I want quiet performance, The BOV sound is alright, i just dont want a droneing exhaust.!

 

you may have purchased the wrong car hahaha

 

yeh, maybe you should think about getting a different car.. You can make your car fast in a strait line w/ turbo, you can put a better suspension on it and it will handle better but never as good as a porsche or RX7, and you can put bigger brakes and it will brake better.. but about wanting quiet performance maybe you should buy something that is fast outta the box..

 

Improving your driving will help greatly handeling wise around a road course or what not.....no point getting the best suspesion if you dont know how to drive it.

 

Lets see here: My car

Go: 13.8 @ 103 on street tires (turbo'd b18b1 @6psi)

Stop: Brembo blanks, Porterfield r4s, motul 600, goodrich lines

Turn: HR sport springs, KYB AGX

O yeah...my car is quiet as sh*t. At idle its silent, at WOT you'd think the world was gonna end, but i love my open loop wg for it.

Tom

 

I think my driving skills are adequate. When i mean quiet performance, i ment not like those fart pipes and bumble bee pipes, what do you guys think of the mugen exhaust, also, i was looking at a custom mandrel piped system with 2 and a half inch pipe, a free flow exhaust and a res to keep the noise down. like i said before, i dont want a car that drones on the hiway, but is able to scream when the happy flipper is pushed. I think that the type R head on my block would be usefull? no?

 

umm......sure building the engine makes it take the boost better, but think about this....building it increases your safety range and engine tolerance more, but when you up the boost again, it kind of makes it less beneficial, meaning if you build a block that can take 30psi, and run 25psi, that isnt as safe as running the 10psi or so more people would do.......i mean if i were you....if you were gonna spend that much money, have a turbo timer and set the boost one for low one for high, and use low daily....and high, for spanking purposes only.

 

sorry, that's what i meant, 10psi for daily driving then around 18 for those "special times".

 

If you are seeking easy power and very fast straightline speed, nothing beats a boosted motor. Both setups can me made reliable, but you do have to pay more atttention to a boosted engine compared to a NA engine. Something that you would think is a hassle if you drive your car everyday to work.

I went all-out NA because I wanted a good daily driver that is pretty fast -- one that is good on gas, easier to maintain, fully street legal and more rev happy. I seriously doubt boosted motor can satisfy my needs because I redline VERY often, and a boosted motor will require a lot of maintenance to keep me satisfied. If you are looking to go fast, go very fast and only go fast in a straightline, go turbo/NOS (yes, together).

 

i agree

 

Tony the Tiger: You call your car street legal, hahhahaha it's just as street legal as a turbo/sc'd car (well with emittions anyway, opening the hood and looking is a diffrent story)

 

Tony,

i am very interested in your setup, your car is the reason i have doubts about fi. after reading some of the posts and stuff, i am very interested in that motor. email me with some information on it. if you have any 1/4 mile times through them in to. I would greatly appreciate it!

 

Its give off a deep but quiet humm at low rpms but when you get on it...it sounds like a 'racecar'....!