whats the best motor to put in a crx. i was checking out hmotorsonline.com
and i saw these two motors. xsi b16 for tegs and b16 sirI which iam assuming its for the jdm crx. being that the only difference is $300.00. which engine would be the easiest to swap and the most reliable, better performance and better fittings.

 

sir is obd0
while the xsi is obd1, it all depends if you want to go obd0/0bd1

 

'90-91 XSi is non-OBD like the EF8/EF9 SiR, while the '92-93 XSi is OBD-I.

I also believe the XSi's transmission is geared shorter than the SiRs'.

 

the xsi comes obd-0 as well i use to work at noyanusa a jspec engine distributer in manassas va.. i got my b16a out of a xsi clip.. no fenders but everything else was there.. its obd-o.. theres really no difference except there is always a difference in trans between crx and teg.. my trans is the ys1.. the teg trans i had was a j1
the ys1 is pretty short gear wise..

 

92-93 is also rated at 170 hp.

 

sorry to sound like an *** but whats obd0 and obd1?

 

OBDO the electronics on car before 92
92+ the electronics change to OBD1 wich are better
OBD= On Board Diagnostics

the Xsi and SiR motors on the 88-91 are the same basically
but the Xsi tranny cable i beleive its geared as close as the ITR tranny's and i beleive they are the Y80

 

OBD0 is what our cars are... it's "On Board Diagnostics" it's for smog and such. If you get the $1499 package from Hmotors, it'll have all you need, but you'll have to order the Hasport mount kit and shift linkage from them as well.
There really isn't that much of a difference in motors, but the OBD1 XSi is slightly harder to hook up, since you'll need to convert your car to the newer OBD1. I saved $300 bought the 1499 motor and ended up getting an engine from an XSi anyway, it was OBD0 though, but it came with an excellent short tranny... there really isn't that much of a difference, the XSi does have 170hp, but that's just a little different cam setup. Best bet is to buy the OBD0.

I thought the trannies were the YS1, the J1, or the S1... this is still a cable setup with those OBD1 XSi trannys. The J1 and the S1 are VERY short though.

 

Okay, listen guys - there is no such thing as "OBD-0." It is an incorrect and confusing term, stop using it.

Before OBD-I, there was nothing - there was no standard for the electronics in automobiles. Hence, pre-'92 Hondas are non-OBD.

Also, the 2nd-gen B16A does not have 170hp, it has 170ps - which is 168hp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Okay, listen guys - there is no such thing as "OBD-0." It is an incorrect and confusing term, stop using it.

Before OBD-I, there was nothing - there was no standard for the electronics in automobiles. Hence, pre-'92 Hondas are non-OBD.

Also, the 2nd-gen B16A does not have 170hp, it has 170ps - which is 168hp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are such a tool. I don't want to sit here and explain "why there is no such thing as OBD0, but there is because that's what we call it, but don't call it that because it doesn't exist". How in the hell is this kid supposed to understand that bullshit?

Also Mr. Technical why don't you sit here and explain to the poor guy why 170ps insn't 170hp and confuse him more. Next time, stop correcting people, and help the guy. If we talk his language, and don't correct him, it makes his day smoother, he can learn the truth down the line.

IronChef25, don't ask, if you have a question about what Dr. Tool is saying, please search.

 

I have a XSI B16A 91 sir1 motor in my 89 crx Si it's obd-0 pr3 ecu GSR cam's DC4to1 Header's 2.5, no cat piping and UltrFlow,short ram intake
The V-tec coms on at 5,500 to 8,400RPM

150BHP and run best 14.84 street tirs 2.2 60ft's

 

the dif, in Gen1 b16a and gen2 b16a is that the gen2 cam's and piston p30 10.4 cp are dif, 170HP and gen1 b16a has 160HP
89to91 gen1 obd 0
92to95 gen2 obd 1 Def, cam's and piston

96to00 obd 2

98 obd2 can not chip the ecu!

 

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You are such a tool. I don't want to sit here and explain "why there is no such thing as OBD0, but there is because that's what we call it, but don't call it that because it doesn't exist". How in the hell is this kid supposed to understand that bullshit?</TD></TR></TABLE>
"That's what we call it?" Well guess what jacknob, you're wrong, absolutely 100% wrong, it is a WRONG term, and you should not be using it. "OBD-0" implies that the non-OBD engines had an OBD standard, which they do not. OBD-I is an On Board Diagnostics standard. OBD-0 is not - it is nothing, it does not exist. Why do you call it that?

I am confusing him by correcting people? Sorry there Mr. Wrong, but speading wrong information is the cause of confusion. Your refusal to use correct information is what causes the confusion. Use some sense.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also Mr. Technical why don't you sit here and explain to the poor guy why 170ps insn't 170hp and confuse him more. Next time, stop correcting people, and help the guy. If we talk his language, and don't correct him, it makes his day smoother, he can learn the truth down the line.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Okay then, let's not correct him. Let's not correct anybody. Let's just let the internet become a mass chaos of wrong information.

170ps is not 170hp. Simple as that. 170ps = 168hp. 1ps = 0.9863hp. Why is it important to distinguish between ps and hp? Well I think you'd be pissed off if you bought a car that was advertised to have "300hp," but later found out it actually had 295hp, because the advertisement didn't distinguish between pferdestarke and horsepower.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IronChef25, don't ask, if you have a question about what Dr. Tool is saying, please search. </TD></TR></TABLE>
So he can find the wrong information you have posted in the past?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
"That's what we call it?" Well guess what jacknob, you're wrong, absolutely 100% wrong, it is a WRONG term, and you should not be using it. "OBD-0" implies that the non-OBD engines had an OBD standard, which they do not. OBD-I is an On Board Diagnostics standard. OBD-0 is not - it is nothing, it does not exist. Why do you call it that? I call it that because that is what everyone calls it! The website he is referring to uses the term OBD0. Jesus man... read. What the hell do you suggest we call it? 0 stands for nothing. OBD nothing. You are such a ******* tool. Honestly.

I am confusing him by correcting people? Sorry there Mr. Wrong, but speading wrong information is the cause of confusion. ****-jocky, you are confusing the hell out of anyone who is new to Honda and reads this. Your refusal to use correct information is what causes the confusion. Use some sense. It's Honda ***** like you that make this forum the dull boring, unrewarding and intimidating place to post. If a person whose first language was Spanish started to speak to me about cars, and I corrected him everytime he pronounced a word incorrectly, how far do you think I would get with him? You don't have to come in here acting like king **** on turd hill telling everyone in the thread that their ideas are dumb, the way they describe technology is dumb, and their designation is pointless.


Okay then, let's not correct him. Let's not correct anybody. Let's just let the internet become a mass chaos of wrong information. It's a ******* designation that EVERYONE EXCEPT YOU uses. Holy **** man, you are such an *******.

170ps is not 170hp. Simple as that. 170ps = 168hp. 1ps = 0.9863hp. Why is it important to distinguish between ps and hp? Well I think you'd be pissed off if you bought a car that was advertised to have "300hp," but later found out it actually had 295hp, because the advertisement didn't distinguish between pferdestarke and horsepower.
It is 5 horsepower. ****, Next time someone mentions OBD0, you better go off on your tangent again and correct the hell out of them!! GO GO!! Why don't you just make yourself the official "correct people about stupid little **** to make myself feel better" man.


So he can find the wrong information you have posted in the past? Yes, so he can see that I'm just like him, I make mistakes, and I don't talk down to him. Go eat a bannana. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ladies and gentlemen, I apologize for this tiny stupid little argument, apparently if you want to find something usefull, you must make sure that every tiny fact is correct, lest you die at the hands of cyber nerds and e-thugs.

 

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and i saw these two motors. xsi b16 for tegs and b16 sirI which iam assuming its for the jdm crx. being that the only difference is $300.00. which engine would be the easiest to swap and the most reliable, better performance and better fittings.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have the XSi SIR II B16a from 92-93 tegs. Its great little motor if its strong. Yes, the Tranny is a YS1 which came in the USA 92-93 GSR. Also some off these came with LSD so you better which for one with your motor maybe Hmoline will give it to you for christmass Yes its OBD1 need to convert to take full advantage off the PR3 OBD1 ECU.

 

I found this in another thread maybe it will help
B16's found in 88-91 civic and crx SiRs in Japan are called the B16A SiR I
They feature cable trannys with optional LSD, OBD-0 electronics, 10.2:1 compression,
shitty cams, and crappy intake manifold. They have 160 hp. Codes on their blocks serial
code will start with 5, and they are called the 5 million series. They will have white
electrical connectors and the IM shall state the magic words PGM-FI on it.

B16's found in 90-92 Integra XSi and SiRs are called B16A SiR I.
They feature cable trannies, OBD-0 electronics, 10.2 compression, shitty cams, and crappy
intake manifold. They have 160 hp. Codes on their blocks serial code will start with 1.
They will have white electrical connectors and their IM will say PGM-FI on it.

B16's found in the 93 Integra XSi and SiR are called B16A SiR I.
They feature cable trannies, OBD-1 electronics, 10.4:1 compression, GsR cams, and better
IM. They have 170 hp. Codes on their blocks will start with 1 and their electrical
connectors are grey.

B16's found in the 92-00 Civic and CRX SiR are called the B16A SiR II.
They feature hydro trannies, OBD-1 or OBD-2 electronics, 10:4 compression,
GsR cams, and Better IM. They have 170 hp. Codes on their blocks will start with 5.
They will have grey connectors.

B16's found in the 95-96 Del Sol VTEC are called the B16A3.
They feature hydro trannies, OBD-1 electronics, shitty cams and IM,
and 10.2:1 compression. They have 160 hp. Codes on their blocks will start
with 5. Grey connectors.

B16's found in the 99-00 Civic SiR (CDM) are called the B16A2.
They feature hydro trannies, OBD-2 electronics, shitty cams and IM, an 10.2:1
compression. They have 160 hp. Serial codes on this one will start with a 5,
and you guessed it, grey connectors.

B16's found in the 99-00 Civic Type R are called the B16B. They feature hydro trannies
with standard limited slip. The deck is the same height as a B18 on this B16 as well,
all the other ones are shorter. The head features a mild port, with the best OEM VTEC
cams, JDM 4-1 header, and best IM, 10.8:1 compression. They have 185 hp, serial codes
with 5, and grey connectors.

 

I think the Teg was the first car to have VTEC, so it's the 89-91 Tegs that start with 1, and the Civic SiR didn't get the VTEC till 90.

 

i got this from someone on h-t... i thought it was a very useful guide for b-series trannies... i saved it... some of u probably will too...

 

I have a B16A 91 spec XSI wet a YS1 cabel tranny and the I.M. dose not say PGi-f it look's like Gen2 ???

GSR cam's, DC 4to1 headers, and some chep intake and I think i make 150 Base line HP

 

cool info in that guide to b-series tranny's

 

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"That's what we call it?" Well guess what jacknob, you're wrong, absolutely 100% wrong, it is a WRONG term, and you should not be using it. "OBD-0" implies that the non-OBD engines had an OBD standard, which they do not. OBD-I is an On Board Diagnostics standard. OBD-0 is not - it is nothing, it does not exist. Why do you call it that?</TD></TR></TABLE>

it may not exist. but i notice more people use the word OBD-0 then saying Non-OBD. and most people use the word the right way. consider it a slang word. nothing wrong with using a word that doesnt exist as long as people know what there talking about

 

Maybe the way you posted that OBO-0 = non OBD set him on your bad side. Use your knowledge to help others get info and learn, not to make them feel like morons cause they didn't use the right term. Just my 2 cents.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VashTheStampede &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the Teg was the first car to have VTEC, so it's the 89-91 Tegs that start with 1, and the Civic SiR didn't get the VTEC till 90.</TD></TR></TABLE>

My 5 million series B16A (CRX SiR) has an '89 head stamp. It also has an 89 PW0 Computer.

 

I have a 90 CRX with the Teg XSI engine and YS1 tranny with LSD in it. The only conversion needed from NON OBD to OBD1 is change out the Dist to non OBD and wire the injectors direct do not use the resistor box because the injectors on the 92-93 Integra engine are high impedance.....The resistor box was used to feed the low impedance injectors on the non OBD B16.

 

the headstamp on my 5 mil series shows 91

my electrical connectors are grey and i have the new intake manifold.

my engine seems to be from a 92-up sirII

wewt wewt

what would be the best OBD setup for me to use? 1,2 or "none"