Ok im plannig to get either one of these headers but open to suggestion also. Spoon or Mugen? Which one gives more horses? Which one do you just like better also? Its gonna go on a JDM ITR engine. I dont know about downpiping yet or catback sizes either, havent decided yet.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM knowledge &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Spoon or Mugen? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Both are nice.......but there are plenty of others out there.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM knowledge &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Spoon or Mugen? .</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you can wait... SMSP

If you cant Toda has a great header as well.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pro1342 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Both are nice.......but there are plenty of others out there.</TD></TR></TABLE> agreed. I love my Spoon header (the Mugen is nice too) but the TODA header has been proven as superior in fitment, clearance and performance.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by owen_the_soyboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> agreed. I love my Spoon header (the Mugen is nice too) but the TODA header has been proven as superior in fitment, clearance and performance.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Of the two, I would buy the Spoon, I had the Mugen and although it was nice, it isn't the best of these two, the Spoon is much better. Yes, Toda is, in my opinion, the best "off the shelf" standard size header.

 

SMSP, DTR header, or Hytech

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid-B &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SMSP, DTR header, or Hytech </TD></TR></TABLE>

none of which, were asked about.

 

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none of which, were asked about.</TD></TR></TABLE>
but for almost the same price...so much more potential.

 

spoon and mugen are way to overpriced for what you get IMO, your paying alot for the name.

 

I do agree that there are better ones out there. Personally I would spend the money on a Header Tech or AN-R with merge collector more power for less money.

 

AN-R gets a from me

 

DTR or Hytech

 

MUGEN~!!!! only because I have one =P

 

what about the comptech off the shelf header? is that one any good?
If it is just between spoon and mugen I'd go with mugen. But if you want the quality go with SMSP or something good. If you need the JDM y0! go with Toda since it is actually a decent header too.

 

on this motor spoon performed better than mugen http://bob123e.tripod.com/thegreatheadertest/
not only did it have higher peak HP & TQ but it also had the greatest area under the curve (ie very good midrange)
BECAREFUL with the spoon - the one tested is the ONEPIECE 4-2-1 (hybrid design) that has very long primaries just like a 4-1 header. these primaries hang VERY low compared to other headers - especially NOT good for a car that is "dumped" ie very low to the ground Toda is a very good off the shelf header that does not hang low...& had slightly higher peak #'s but not as much under the curve as a whole
EDIT: you should get 2.5" piping & cat

 

Honestly, when it comes to headers there are none better than the SMSP.. To my knowledge SMSP has outperformed the Hytech in every comparison ever done and is still the top power producing and performing header on the market...

The Spoon and Mugen headers are decent but dont make anywhere near the power of the SMSP... Your going to end up paying around $1000 for the Spoon or Mugen headers whichis around the same price you can pick up an SMSP...

Also, to further ad to this... We have done alot of testing with the JG/Edelbrock headers... We mod'd the Collector, changed it to 2.5... That header makes really good power with the collector mods, equal to if not more than that of a Spoon or Mugen Header for about half the cost...

It all really comes down to what you want to pay for... If you want to pay the extra cash for the Spoon or Mugen name than thats cool... Its your world Im just livin in it... But if power and performance is your reason to purchase a header than I think the choce is pretty obvious... SMSP is the proven top dogg of headers

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RS_H22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honestly, when it comes to headers there are none better than the SMSP.. To my knowledge SMSP has outperformed the Hytech in every comparison ever done and is still the top power producing and performing header on the market...

The Spoon and Mugen headers are decent but dont make anywhere near the power of the SMSP... Your going to end up paying around $1000 for the Spoon or Mugen headers whichis around the same price you can pick up an SMSP...

Also, to further ad to this... We have done alot of testing with the JG/Edelbrock headers... We mod'd the Collector, changed it to 2.5... That header makes really good power with the collector mods, equal to if not more than that of a Spoon or Mugen Header for about half the cost...

It all really comes down to what you want to pay for... If you want to pay the extra cash for the Spoon or Mugen name than thats cool... Its your world Im just livin in it... But if power and performance is your reason to purchase a header than I think the choce is pretty obvious... SMSP is the proven top dogg of headers </TD></TR></TABLE>

Sir...although I am pro-HyTech I must say that the only comparison that I have seen was done by your shop(Import Builders) which is a pro-SMS shop, was/is a reseller of SMS products. HyTech refused to sell to any sort of a dealer network, or give any discounts, if you would have wanted to sell the HyTech header with any of your engine packages you would not of made any money at all off of the header. Whether or not the test was tainted, you had a possible financial boon from showing that the SMS was superior.

I must also say that HyTech is pro ENDYN, whereas SMS is not, the same as your shop...

To anyone else out there...research is your friend, look at what you want out of a header, what your current engine package sits at, and what you're future will hold...speak with the various manufacturers and/or importers and resellers, make a decision based on what will work best for you.

Austin

 

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i couldn't agree more

in answer to your post... we don't sell SMSP to the public as a retail item because we pay pretty much the same price everybody else pays... we only offered the header with our build packages or as favors to friends of the shop or a select few customers... we have never really made any money off of SMSP headers, we just use them because they performed better than anythign else we've used

Companies such as SMSP abd Hytech cant really give price breaks on their products for shop becasue the cost of making those headers is about 90% labor... As most of you know the only discounts you can get on labor is if you do it yourself or the guy doing it is a close friend or relative...

as for the testing i have only seen a few tests not counting the one's we've done and SMSP headers topped those as well... but in all honesty i could care less what brand of parts i use... the brand name i run exclusively is called "makes more power and performs better then anything else on the market"... that's always been the only brand of parts i've ever run reguardless of my affiliations with shop X or company X... if brand X performs better than an SMSP header than i'll be running brand X... it's as simple as that

i'm not the one that get's cought up in all this politcal industry BS.. i'm about as real as they come


Modified by RS_H22 at 6:41 PM 11/3/2003

 

lovin in the input guys thx. Post more.

 

There is no question!!!!!!!!!MUGEN,MUGEN,MUGEN,MUGEN!!!!!!!!
You want the best??Then buy the BEST!!!

 

Both are good choices and there are a few other brands out there as well.
&lt;~ Runs 4-2-1 Mugen Gymkhana

 

it's true that all your are really getting out of the mugen or spoon...is the name

a name is worthless when it comes to making power.

go with a better header like the DTR, headertech, an-r (i have one and love it), hytech, SMSP, or even the JDM DC 4-1.

just don't waste money on a name, when you coould use the money saved for other parts, or spend the same money and make much more power

 

I had a smsp header (unfortunately sold the car) and I loved the results over my jdm itr 4-1 (that had the primaries ported). Far better than the spoon or mugen and in close to the same price range. My vote would go to sms/hytech.
BTW MERRY CHRISTMAS to all

 

You gotta pay to play,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,all the headers mention above are top notch, its just certain ones will perform better on certain engine setups via RPM range. Both SMS and Hytech build headers for certain engine applications. So it may varied.

Both Mugen and Spoon are somewhat outdated if you asked me compare to all the headers mention above.

-Bert

 

thats like asking if u should masterbate with the right or left hand. they both do the job but one might b slightly better.

questions like these are really stupid
1. u have a whole database of research to look at VIA HT.
2. ur too lazy to even look for the info so u want someone to tell u what to choose
3. most ppl have a set opinion of a product, which in turn is not a very well informed opinion. i would value someones opinion that has had the opportunity to test/try out both headers. but i agree with BERT O that the mugen header and spoon header are out of date. theres 2-3 companies out there that make equal if not better headers for alot less money, but u wont have that BLING BLING name on the header.

to finalize, threads like this suck. they are for the cockriders that cant and will not research stuff for themselves.