Hi Guys,

Just have a friend selling me a turbo kit for the 94 accord. But the kit comes of a h22a(accord version) He had the engine swap into a 94 accord. I went for a ride in his car, but couldnt feel the power coz his car wasnt tuned yet.

I have a few question:
1)Will it fit straght on the f22 easily?

2)Will the f22 turbo be faster then the h22a ? running at 7psi with stock internals.

3)anyone know or have a 94 accord f22 turbo charged? If so what's the output?

Thanx in advance

 

There are 5 million variables to the questions you asked.


An h22a turbo kit will NOT bolt right on to an f22 motor. The manifolds are not identical.

Yes a turbo f22 will blow the doors off of a fairly stock or even bolt on h22'd accord

its sounds like you are just getting into this, do some more research before blowing up your car

 

Amen

 

the manifold might be the only thing that will not fit. and as far as will a turbo f22 be faster than a n/a h22... yes but probably not by much if its not tuned. h22 just has more potential. its what you want in a long run.

 

h22's are so overrated its not even funny. there powerband will get OWNED by a boosted f22, its all in the numbers... i will post dyno numbers in about a month.

 

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this is bullshit...would you mind explaining your thinking...and i agree with superorb on this one...

 

the manifold will not fit and I know for a fact an untuned F22 turbo will stomp an H22 Prelude or Accord all over the place. The H22 weak bottom end makes for more interesting boosting(kaboom)but for N/A purposes the H22 does have potential

 

i agree w/ the above post, the h2 has huge potnetial as a NATURALLY ASPIRATED motor, but as for boost, no thank you. my roomate is buiulding one hell of an all motor h22 right now for his lude. i cant wait for us both to race... my boosted f22b1 against his hi compression h22, he will use hondata, me vafc till i can get a p28 and tune it myself... should be nice

 

so what is keeping the f22 from making lots of power...you do realize that it is possible to add high compression pistons to an f22 as well and all that...sure, you can't rev it nearly as high, but you will see much nicer low end tourque due to the longer stroke...let's just say that the power band on an all motor f22 would be much more even than the h22's nothingness until vtec...

 

well, i dunno if u ever seen a dyno plot for an f22b1... but it totally stops making power after about 4200 or so, it just platueaus out. now, if you were rto rev to liek 8k on the same setup, it wil lstill plateau out until 8k... sure higher cr pistons will yield you more power, but w/ an iron block/sleeves, i dont see why anyone would go all motor on the f series, and not spray or boost like it is begging for. besides that, the crank on the f22 is NOT meant to rev high, its the same crank in the h23, and all thjose guys that do the h23 vtec head swaps always end up w/ a failed crank...

 

actually, i am one of those guys doing a vtec head swap onto an h23 block...the reason why most of those motors fail is because the *** clowns that drive them think that they can rev to 8k rpm's like the h23a4 is capable of doing...now if you are safe about the swap and only rev to about 7k rpm's like you are supposed to, there wouldn't be so much of a problem...power delivery on this motor is what is so sexy about it...but this also goes to show that the f22/h23 crank isn't the reason that the motor suffers...obviously since the f22 and h23 are very similar in the bottom end, it has to do with the ability to breathe, which is nothing that a bit of machining along with custom parts couldn't fix...just because the aftermarket doesn't support the f22 doesn't mean that the motor is junk in terms of n/a power...there's plenty of power to be had if you just look in the right directions...

 

Martaigne is bulding an F22 beast in N/A form so hed be able to shed more light on it. I see it this way. The F22B's and the H32 are alike but the single cam turbo is much more appealing to me to build. Now i wouldnt mind an H23 turbo but the fs eries just needs a little more breathing room to be a real monster(relatively speaking). If you have ever seen the intake ports on the F22B1/2 you know why it doesnt breathe well, they are tiny. A little port and polish will cure that and as for the bottom end its almost boost built from the factory but can be imporved up with aftermarket if one was so iclined to look. I plan on new rods and pistons with a block saver at 15psi with soem mild head work and i will be putting down decent numbers. Its allr eally in what you want and feel comfortable building.

 

might wanna talk to chris bout what u just said... i think plans have changed dramaticly(sp) ....

 

h22a with stock bottom end, stock cams and valvetrain can make 250whp at 7-10psi and be very reliable if tuned well.....the h22a just has a huge headstart on the f22a.....if the h22a isn't better, then where are all the 800hp f22a's on the dragstrips........they have less potential regardless of the money invested......they have one cam, a less efficient head design and as a result, less potential.....saying otherwise is just stupid and severely biased.....

they can make power, sure, but an f22a with 7psi is making h22a power........and with poor tuning it isn't making that much and will hurt something......detonation can destroy the most solid bottom end.......the h22a isn't AS good for boosting in stock form, but it's not any more fragile than are the b18c's

if done incorrectly, sure it's gonna be short lived.....so will the f22a

and in stock form, the h22a has more torque throughout the powerband on top of all of everything else.......and whatever can be done to improve the f22a can also be done to the h22a....and then some, so don't use that argument.....the f22a is probably the toughest motor around though, but not boosted.....my old 2.3 SOHC ford held 20psi for 100,000 miles in stock form...made over 300rwhp on an early 80's engine design, and there are motors stronger than that that aren't exotic or anything.....

 

The way i see it is as a simple cost vs power issue

F22 turbo costs a little more than stock H22A swap, and makes a little more power tuned (not to mention better torque, which is what really counts)

H22A swapped in and turbo costs about as much as a built F22 turbo, the F22 built will crap all over the stock H22A turbo

So if you wanna go turbo, there is no real reason to swap in a H22A first. I mean with a built F22 turbo you're gonna be making more power than you can put down on the streets anyway.

If going NA i'd prolly go with a H22A, simply because its a little easier to find parts, and its a better NA base to start from.

 

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wrong my power peaked at 6k (146.5 whp) and tq was level to peak to 5500 (133.9) the motor had 156k miles on it and two year old spark plugs, its all your tuning and choice of parts

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wrong son, 2.4~ stroker h22's have a much worse r/s ration than the stock f22/f23/h23 crank and they wind it close to 8k

 

there arent any 800whp F22a's out ther because no noe has tried it yet. its seems the H22 bias is just as bad as the F series bias. Its all in what you want, and i dont want a dual cam that might take a **** on me if boost creep occurs at 6 psi. The F series cant take more boost than an H22 in stock form but after you put work into any motor itll handle more, simple facts

 

i hate how everything has to be compared with only one winner a possible outcome....i've seen fast geo metros that could embarass a lot of people.....and although i didn't dream about it at night, i respected it......i'd respect anything done the right way......especially if it took a lot of work and commitment.......you can go fast with either......most people never reach the goals they set, so be realistic....with an h22a and a few bolt ons, you can be in the mid 14's in an accord....a boosted f22a could easily be faster.......but are you gonna go through with it......and do it right

 

Most people do not set realistic goals... there is limits still... thats why they will never reach their goal if you ask me.

I went the turbo f22 route cause it is just so much more fun and the potential is HUGE. Anything running a good forced induction setup has this potential.

The h22 is good for a little more n/a power and daily driveable jump in, turn key and go setup.

You should be thinking about your intended application of the vehicle and what not in my opinion more than which will be faster. Unless your made of money realistically the fastest setup may not work well in your intended use... ending up costing you more money and more work.

 

i really dont think my 15psi daily driven Accord is un realistic but i do agree, most people set the abr way too high, but more power to them if they reach those goals. I plan on making a statement for the F series that it can be a tough motor just like the fast Geo Metro you saw. Accords need respect too so who really minds the way we go about making Accords quick cars, im all for whatever type of setup you have as long as your saying **** and you dont have it.

 

I brought a drag 4 kit. I have no clue how that pipe will fit on the driver side. Do you have any pictures of that part? Did you have to cut to get it to work?

 

whats the pipe like? too long too short etc..

 

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no room for it to go through

 

you need to connect it to the outlet on the turbo, then you will see where to run it. im pretty sure it runs right down next to the radiator and you need to cut away a small piece of the plastic trim that runs underneath the front of the car.least thats how all the accord guys run it i think.

 

Wow H-T forms are gold.... I have the F22B1 and I honestly think I can build this motor better than an H for one main. If you apply too much boost to an H, it's goona blow. You can sleeve the F series with thick *** sleeves and pound on the boost on a well built motor. Myabe not skyline levels ;-) but I think the H crowd should respect the fact that the F motor is bulletproof in engine wall comparisson. The F can handle a lot more pressure stock, and once sleeved will blow the doors off the H in torque if boosted correctly and built properly.