I'm not sure which forum is best suited for this question, but here goes: where can I get the best price on the Hondata thermal barrier intake manifold gasket? Every place I checked seems to have the same price.

Thanks.

 

AN-R sells them cheap.

 

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Its a copy/ripoff. I don't belive in supporting that sort of thing. The money should go to the people who were smart enough to do it first. A free enterprise economy means you are basically voting with dollars as to which company is going to prosper. I want to support the good ones.

So, where is the best price on the REAL Hondata IM gasket?

 

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Its a copy/ripoff. I don't belive in supporting that sort of thing. The money should go to the people who were smart enough to do it first. A free enterprise economy means you are basically voting with dollars as to which company is going to prosper. I want to support the good ones.

So, where is the best price on the REAL Hondata IM gasket?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's a piece of plastic man, get over it. It's an individualistic society, get some thing that is cheaper and will benefit you by costing less

 

doesn't a free market economy also stress competition?

there you go

 

Feel free to buy whatever you want; that's your business. I choose to support the companies that actually innovate, so they will stay around and make more cool stuff. That's my choice. Deal with it.

 

it doesn't matter you can't buy it from an-r they are sold out, but they are the only ones with the RACE version, Hondata doesn't make em anymore

 

i still want to know what all the p&p people out there can get from these gaskets. seems like we have to have one made custom to keep from throwin up a barrier around the edges in our flow

 

Anyone going to actually answer the question? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

 

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If you want to grossly overpay for the hondata gasket, go to http://www.wiredspeed.com, he will have the lowest possible price.

If want to be smart, go to AN-r.com buy their race gasket and cut a hole in it for coolant to flow (your probably going to have to do the same to the hondata gasket)

 

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Its a copy/ripoff. I don't belive in supporting that sort of thing. The money should go to the people who were smart enough to do it first. A free enterprise economy means you are basically voting with dollars as to which company is going to prosper. I want to support the good ones.

So, where is the best price on the REAL Hondata IM gasket?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Then ******* buy it from Hondata since they are the "innovators". x 1,000,000 christ. You think Hondata invented Phenolic Spacers? Yeah....

 

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Then ******* buy it from Hondata since they are the "innovators". x 1,000,000 christ. You think Hondata invented Phenolic Spacers? Yeah....</TD></TR></TABLE>

This contributes how?

 

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Innovate?? I think I had a phenolic spacer on my Mustang back in '97. Its all based on the same principle. Why would you pay $65 for the hondata when you can get the An-r for $35. They serve the same purpose and do the exact same thing.

 

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Innovate?? I think I had a phenolic spacer on my Mustang back in '97. Its all based on the same principle. Why would you pay $65 for the hondata when you can get the An-r for $35. They serve the same purpose and do the exact same thing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Geez, what do you not understand?I used a phenolic spacer in 1978 - so what? Hondata brought them to this market; I choose to support them for it. If you don't, that's fine. Buy knockoffs for every product in your life - I don't care.

Again, does anyone actually have an answer?

 

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If you want to grossly overpay for the hondata gasket, go to http://www.wiredspeed.com, he will have the lowest possible price.

If want to be smart, go to AN-r.com buy their race gasket and cut a hole in it for coolant to flow (your probably going to have to do the same to the hondata gasket)</TD></TR></TABLE>

the answer is right there

 

has anyone thought about the fact that the coolant runs through the manifold near the number 4 cylinder. thus causing the number 4 cylinder to be warmer then the rest of the cylinders when the gaskets being used. I have used the gasket and have seen the number 4 cylinder side of the manifold to heat up faster then the number 1 cylinder side. this would cause an imbalance of air flow temp.....so is this gasket really working at all? In my opinion ( everyone is entitled to one ) I think the gasket is not worth the money that hondata sells it for since it can be made for $5.00. So if you want to call hondata an innovator when they made the intake manifold gasket then you are right, they innovated a way to take a $5.00 product and sell it for $65.00 to $80.00....thats innovation.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RedZone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">has anyone thought about the fact that the coolant runs through the manifold near the number 4 cylinder. thus causing the number 4 cylinder to be warmer then the rest of the cylinders when the gaskets being used. I have used the gasket and have seen the number 4 cylinder side of the manifold to heat up faster then the number 1 cylinder side. this would cause an imbalance of air flow temp.....so is this gasket really working at all? In my opinion ( everyone is entitled to one ) I think the gasket is not worth the money that hondata sells it for since it can be made for $5.00. So if you want to call hondata an innovator when they made the intake manifold gasket then you are right, they innovated a way to take a $5.00 product and sell it for $65.00 to $80.00....thats innovation. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't get it, the coolant is still passying through the gasket, why would #4 get hotter?

 

because the coolant is still passing through the manifold, through the aluminum and steel tube that is partof the manifold that the coolant line connects to. thats 2 to 2 1/2 inchs of the manifold that the coolant is passing through.

 

so what you are saying is that w/o the gasket the temperature of all cylinders would be spread more evenly?
Coolant flows through the pipe using an OE gakset, the thick gasket just spaces it out.
or are you saying that since the gasket does space out the manifold, that the heat from the coolant gets absorbed more in the area of cylinder 4?

sorry, i just want to clarify

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bolivianstrtwpn &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what you are saying is that w/o the gasket the temperature of all cylinders would be spread more evenly?
Coolant flows through the pipe using an OE gasket, the thick gasket just spaces it out.
or are you saying that since the gasket does space out the manifold, that the heat from the coolant gets absorbed more in the area of cylinder 4?

sorry, i just want to clarify</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct, the gasket is the same as an OE gasket, just thicker and a different material. With the OE gasket the manifold gets the same amount of heat all the way across but with the hondata gasket or a gasket like it spaces out the manifold and uses a different material so the heat from the cylinder head doesn't transfer to the manifold. The coolant still flows through the manifold from the head to a coolant line. this would transfer heat to cylinder number 4 and start spreading across to 3 then 2 and so on. this is just something I've noticed.....

 

I don't have any coolant going into my plenum.. That being the case then the #4 runner is not in any danger of being hotter than the others... correct?

 

correct, if you do not have coolant running through the manifold then you do not have to worry about it, you are getting the same heat transfer all the way across the manifold. You only have this issue if you are still running the coolant line through the manifold.

 

Would running the coolant really give that much heat increase to me noticable? Do you have any temps to compare?

 

were talking about aluminum which is a good conductor of heat. coolant is roughly 180 degrees or so when the engine is hot. compare that temp to the ambient air temp (with the race version you can get the manifold to ambient temp). thats your temperature difference.

 

I can not say that I have done a complete test on this yet, only what I have noticed on the non race version of the hondata gasket is that the coolant does cause heat to transfer to the number 4 cylender. Is it enough to change the air flow temp? Can someone do a complete test?